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12-27-2005, 12:14 AM
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KJo - what do you think of this line?
CO 14/10/2.8 ~800 hands
MP3 43/8/0.9 ~200 hands CO seems like an ok TAG and I think he knows I am too. MP3 is crappy and pretty aggressive, but not always in the right spots. Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, BB checks. Flop: (5 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, BB folds, MP3 calls. Turn: (7.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls, MP3 calls. River: (10.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets...</font> 
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#2
12-27-2005, 12:20 AM
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Re: KJo - what do you think of this line?
Well, if you don't think the CO will raise you with a worse hand on the river ( i assume you fold the river to a raise). CO looks a lot like a flopped set. Would he 3-bet KT on the flop? I would prefer just getting to showdown here.
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#3
12-27-2005, 12:25 AM
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Re: KJo - what do you think of this line?
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Well, if you don't think the CO will raise you with a worse hand on the river ( i assume you fold the river to a raise). CO looks a lot like a flopped set. Would he 3-bet KT on the flop? I would prefer just getting to showdown here. [/ QUOTE ] I'm paying off a raise from MP3 unless CO coldcalls, but I really don't think MP3 will raise very often here.
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12-27-2005, 12:38 AM
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Re: KJo - what do you think of this line?
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What are you putting CO on? [/ QUOTE ] Given preflop, no king better than KJo. There's no 2 pair possibilities or draw so other than a pair of kings he could just have 55/22. Hands we're ahead of: KT: 8 combos K9s: 2 combos Kxs: 2 combos Total: 12 combos Hands we're behind of: 55/22: 6 combos Total 6 combos Given his willingness to 3-bet the flop I would discount the 12 K-combos to ~6 (maybe even a little less). Plus we have 6 combos of KJo we would like to see a sd against (discounted and the split taken into consideration not worth more than 2 combos in relation to 55/33).
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12-27-2005, 12:44 AM
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Re: KJo - what do you think of this line?
Off the top of my head, I think that top pair-jack kicker OOP is not what I want to play when it comes back to me 3-bet, and I fold on the flop. I'm sure I would have done this in the heat of the moment.
Thinking about it, I wonder what CO 3-bets on the flop that he overlimps preflop. 55 or 22? I doubt it. K5 or K2? Please. KJo or KTo makes some sense, although even with these I would expect 14/10 to raise to isolate the loose limper. An oddly played AA is the only other thing I can think of. Having thought about it, I still think this is afold, but I'm likely not ready to play 5/10 yet.
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12-27-2005, 12:45 AM
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Re: KJo - what do you think of this line?
Nick, do you agree that you must call a CO raise once MP calls. What's nice about this play is you trap MP for two(most likely once he calls your lead)and you don't miss bets from a KT check-through. What's risky is with CO being a TAG he will value-raise KT/KJ as well as 55/22 so I don't think you are in a bet/fold situation. CO has pretty aggressive stats so I think he would have raised KQ PF. Now what do you do if MP folds and CO still raises. That might be a fold situation IMO.
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#9
12-27-2005, 12:56 AM
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Re: KJo - what do you think of this line?
You make it sound like getting raised by CO would be a good thing. That would suck.
Also, you say we bet so KT dosn't check through, but then you say KT is value raising if we bet.
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#10
12-27-2005, 12:58 AM
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Re: KJo - what do you think of this line?
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Off the top of my head, I think that top pair-jack kicker OOP is not what I want to play when it comes back to me 3-bet, and I fold on the flop. I'm sure I would have done this in the heat of the moment. [/ QUOTE ] My initial thought was to fold, but then I thought about it and decided to call. [ QUOTE ] KJo or KTo makes some sense, although even with these I would expect 14/10 to raise to isolate the loose limper. [/ QUOTE ] He had 2 limpers in front preflop.
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