The turn - KK

[Isura]

Villain is 35/5 in 50 hands. He is typcially not aggressive, but I have been raising his SB a fair bit from the BB.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 max, 5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Hero ($27.30)
UTG ($33.45)
MP ($3.65)
Button ($28.65)
SB ($17.77)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB (poster) completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $0.75</font>, SB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, SB calls $2.

Turn: ($6) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets $3</font>.

[GrunchCan]

If you've seen him bluff before, I'd raise.

If not, given that you didn't really describe him as a rock or extremely passive, I'll probably call that and a smallish river bet. Although I suspect I should fold here.

[Mercman572]

Yuck, seems like we are prone to a fundamental mistake in any action we take here:
Calling is incorrect if he has a FD, or J10.
Folding is incorrect if he picked up a FD or is bluffing.
Raising is incorrect if he has anything other than a FD (if he won't call with a naked jack, but will lead river if we cold call)

The lesser of these evils seems to be folding here. C/C lead turn means to me he either hit 2 pair or a flush more often than him trying to draw cheaply or "stand up" with TP. Plus, if we call we potentially compound our mistake if he leads the river.

[beavens]

why only a 3xBB pf raise?

[Isura]

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why only a 3xBB pf raise?

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He had been folding to anything more in the SB vs BB controntations. And I raised to 4bb ($1 to go).

[beavens]

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why only a 3xBB pf raise?

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He had been folding to anything more in the SB vs BB controntations. And I raised to 4bb ($1 to go).

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ah.. converter mustve had some issues.. says you raise TO $.75.. but then the post says there is $2.

[deadmoney98]

Yeah, this spot kinda sucks, but I am not folding to that bet. Make him convince you on the river. If he checks a harmless river, bet and expect to be called by a one pair hand.

[4_2_it]

Well, at least he looks like he's offering a cheap showdown and your hand is worth that. Call turn and a similar 1/2 pot river bet.

These non-aggro villains always underplay their monsters so I wouldn't be surprised to see him underbet his K high flush.

[nietzreznor]

I would probably call and evaluate on the river. Your hand is too good to fold for a 1/2 pot bet in a HU battle of the blinds.
Would he call a raise with a naked J? Sometimes in this spot (ie, with no K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]) I like to raise and fold to a reraise/push, or a large river bet. I really hate letting a 4th club fall on the river and having it either cost you action or the pot.
So, yeah, I would call or raise, depending on image/opponent/etc. I don't think I'd ever fold here though, without a big read.

[wyrd]

I think you should fold. The pot isn't really all that big for no limit. It's a typical raised preflop sized pot on the turn. Unlike the advice given above, your hand is not "too good to fold." We do realize that KK is only a pair right? How often does your pair win after a player suddenly wakes up on the turn and shows aggression? Given that, and the fact that the pot isn't that big, I'd fold.

People here are saying to call, then call another small sized river bet. There's no guarantee he's going to make another small bet. If another club comes off, you're dead, and wasted $3 hoping to get a cheap showdown. If he bets the pot on the river, same situation, you're probably dead, and wasted $3. In fact, if he bets anything on the river, you're beat, plain and simple.

Realistically what could he be bettering here that you beat? It's not like the turn put an overcard on the board and now he's betting top pair. I think 2 things are most likely; a set of tens, or a flush. If he had top pair on the flop, why would he not bet it? I think this discounts JT and two pair. However, he could have 56, but I believe that is also unlikely given he didn't check/raise the flop.

The set of tens make sense. He called your raise with pocket tens, saw an overcard on the board, so he called your seemingly continuation bet with second pair. You may or may not have that jack, so he wants to find out on the turn. The turn gives him a miracle, but puts a possible flush on the board. He now has a set, but you may have a flush. So he bets small hoping to find out cheaply, or to at least see the river cheaply hoping to hit a boat, that way he won't have to worry about the flush anymore.

Now the flush also makes sense. He calls your raise with a couple of suited cards. Being out of position, he checks the flop and calls your pot sized bet, which is typical of anyone on a flush draw. The turn gives him a flush. Now he bets small. The small bet is a bit curious. Maybe he's got the nuts and wants to price you in, afraid that you may check behind him (which is working given the advice others are giving you). If he had a small flush, I would expect a pot sized bet, that way he could make you fold an Ace of clubs, so he doesn't get rivered.

In any case, that's how I see it.