Two Plus Two Older Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Older Archives > PL/NL Texas Hold'em > Small Stakes Pot-, No-Limit Hold'em
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #41  
Old 11-08-2005, 03:02 PM
BobboFitos BobboFitos is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: It\'s hot in here
Posts: 551
Default Re: You, sir, are not a fish (LC)

[ QUOTE ]

Agreed (I didn't remember the OESFD), but if you feel your opponent is reading you better than you are reading him isn't leaving to find a better game a good option? (Not saying this is what Ghaz did)


[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, I agree with you.
Reply With Quote
  #42  
Old 11-08-2005, 03:07 PM
Ghazban Ghazban is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Boston, MA
Posts: 1
Default Re: You, sir, are not a fish (LC)

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Had I been raising on a naked flush or straight draw, he would've forced me to fold.

[/ QUOTE ]

I know this isnt the point of the original post, but wouldnt it be better for villain to smooth-call your raise, and bet you out of the pot on a safe turn? That would blow your nice draw to pieces, is a good defence against the flop semi-bluff with the bog-standard draw, and he'll lose his stack against a 2-pair/set anyway.

Ojo_Rojo

[/ QUOTE ]

Sure, but how does he know what's a safe turn card? Clubs are the easiest things for him to know might kill his hand (he didn't have a club redraw, BTW) but he doesn't want to see tons of other cards, either. Any 3 or 8 makes a straight possible, any 7 or 6 gives me a pair to go with my OESFD, any non-king broadway card could conceivably give me two pair (he doesn't know at this point that calling a raise with ATo is not something I'm likely to do as many people will call a raise with a hand like that). That doesn't leave many cards in the deck that he really wants to see. By pushing, he ensures he can't be outplayed later. For example, what if I have AQ and he check/folds a club turn? Also, if he pushes and I ONLY have a club draw, I'm making a mistake to call (and its a mistake many people would make in this game).

I'm not saying his push was absolutely correct 100% of the time; just giving some reasons why he might want to do it.
Reply With Quote
  #43  
Old 11-08-2005, 03:38 PM
ericlambi ericlambi is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Iowa
Posts: 186
Default Re: You, sir, are not a fish (LC)


If you don't mind, can you tell me what your profit/hand is for 76s?
Reply With Quote
  #44  
Old 11-08-2005, 03:59 PM
Hattifnatt Hattifnatt is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: The bubble
Posts: 153
Default Re: You, sir, are not a fish (LC)

[ QUOTE ]
Curious, would you take the same line if you only had a straight draw or a flush draw?

[/ QUOTE ]
I doubt that BUT:
Would you do the same with:
1. Pair + Flushdraw FE 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2. Gutshot + Flushdraw FE 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Reply With Quote
  #45  
Old 11-08-2005, 04:06 PM
iash iash is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 11
Default Re: You, sir, are not a fish (LC)



[/ QUOTE ]
I doubt that BUT:
Would you do the same with:
1. Pair + Flushdraw FE 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2. Gutshot + Flushdraw FE 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

[/ QUOTE ]

Don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't be in that position with those hands - would almost never call a raise & go heads up with them.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:10 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.