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Old 11-03-2005, 06:30 PM
j0wlev j0wlev is offline
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Default Re: xorbie thinks I suck

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So what is your hand range for xorbie?

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AA/KK/QQ/JJ/AQs/AK

The push isn't THAT much of a bad play because you are isolating the short stack, which I believe is what you are trying to do.

Xorbie can't call with QQ/JJ/AQ because of the risk of AK/AA/KK.

I think what Ghazban was trying to do was to get the weaker hand HU and steal the dead money Xorbie put in the pot.
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Old 11-03-2005, 06:32 PM
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Default Re: xorbie thinks I suck

misread stack sizes. thought you guys were playing 400s.
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Old 11-03-2005, 06:33 PM
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Default Re: xorbie thinks I suck

ok, but would xorbie not do that as well if he had a weaker hand? This is the telling point in this hand, i believe.
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Old 11-03-2005, 06:35 PM
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Default Re: xorbie thinks I suck

amoeba and crosse approached this differently than I did. I figured xorbie would reraise KK-JJ for sure to isolate (as I could be raising all sorts of crap from the cutoff) and avoid playing a big pot out of position with a fair amount of money behind. Therfore I figured he had AK or AA and Bayes' theorem makes AK a lot more likely. Add in that shorty could easily be sharing at least the ace and I have likely the best hand with a good overlay. If he folds AK, that's fine with me, if he calls, that's not bad either. If he has AA, nh.
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Old 11-03-2005, 06:37 PM
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Default Re: xorbie thinks I suck

maybe I don't know xorbie's play as well as you do but I don't see how any good player calls with AK there unless if he is going by the "my overcall is scarier than an isolation raise" theorem.

also I don't see why he is unable to cold call with KK here.

unless if you play differently with xorbie around, I don't think you are calling this raise with suited connectors and the like.
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Old 11-03-2005, 06:42 PM
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Default Re: xorbie thinks I suck

these kind of plays suck in cash games

maybe on mtt
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Old 11-03-2005, 06:43 PM
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Default Re: xorbie thinks I suck

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these kind of plays suck in cash games

maybe on mtt

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which type of plays?
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Old 11-03-2005, 06:44 PM
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There are 3 hands exctly that I make this call with. AA, KK, AK. That's why I think the push is ugly. JJ/QQ/TT/99 maybe 88 I push in with.

TT vs AA, KK, AK is eh at best, and I think I fold AK sometimes, so the times yuo do get the money in, it's really ugly.
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Old 11-03-2005, 06:46 PM
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Default Re: xorbie thinks I suck

I'll make a rare poker post here.

This is an awful move. The hand ranges are not at all in your favor.
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Old 11-03-2005, 06:47 PM
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FWIW, I think flat calling AK and calling my push is way worse than anything I did in this hand. Had you reraised, I would've been gone.
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