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Old 10-11-2005, 01:32 PM
veganmav veganmav is offline
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Default Misplayed every street? what do you do? tough spot with KQ

Just sat at 1 hand ago.
Poker ace HUD tells me UTG is 39/0.7/6 poster is unkown, and button is 44/1.2/9

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Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $10.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls, MP1 calls, CO folds, Button calls.

Flop: (10 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG 3-bets</font>, Button calls, Hero calls.

Seriously, I'm lost.
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Old 10-11-2005, 01:39 PM
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Is this a serious question?
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Old 10-11-2005, 01:44 PM
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Looks fine to me.

I like the raise preflop, since you have the possibility of getting rid of both the poster and the BB.

On the flop with two overcards and a backdoor straight and flush I think betting out is fine. When you get raised I think calling to take one off is fine. UTG suddenly springing to life is unusual, and it doesn't happen very often. Taking one off became expensive but *shrug* what you gonna do?
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Old 10-11-2005, 01:46 PM
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this hand is a textbook example of how preflop mistakes compound themslves extremely rapidly.

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Old 10-11-2005, 01:49 PM
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Default Re: Misplayed every street? what do you do? tough spot with KQ

Why wouldn't it be a serious question? yeah i'm serious, I wanna know if you call this last turn 3bet?
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Old 10-11-2005, 01:52 PM
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why would you be less inclined to call the 3rd than the 2nd?

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Old 10-11-2005, 01:57 PM
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Default Re: Misplayed every street? what do you do? tough spot with KQ

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this hand is a textbook example of how preflop mistakes compound themslves extremely rapidly.

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please explain...what preflop mistake? Should he not have raised?
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Old 10-11-2005, 02:01 PM
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Default Re: Misplayed every street? what do you do? tough spot with KQ

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Looks fine to me.

I like the raise preflop, since you have the possibility of getting rid of both the poster and the BB.

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I don't like the PF raise at all, and the flop bet is a bit questionable too.
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Old 10-11-2005, 02:02 PM
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this hand is a textbook example of how preflop mistakes compound themslves extremely rapidly.

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please explain...what preflop mistake? Should he not have raised?

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OOP w/ offsuit paint is not worth the building of a pot with a hand that features a large amount of reverse implied odds. even if 1 or 2 hands fold you're still OOP and putting in an EXTRA 1.25bb (pf raise+flop continuation bet) when you'll be the one paying off if you hit vs. completing and evaluating on the flop.

this is an instanc eof pot control where if it is +ev to raise, its very very slightly +ev.

if it isn't +ev, its likely quite costly.

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Old 10-11-2005, 02:02 PM
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Why wouldn't it be a serious question?

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I think you played the hand poorly. So poorly in fact that I thought maybe you were trolling. Sorry.

Anyways, Preflop you should call. You have a mediocre hand for the situation considering your position and the number of players in the pot.

Postflop, you totally whiffed yet decided to bluff into multiple players. You are better off checking and hoping for a free card or maybe taking one off for a small bet.

Given the situation you found yourself in, you must call the 3 bet. You're really hoping to pick up a straight draw. At least then you could make a nut hand on a miracle runner-runner draw. But you're stuck in the hand if you catch a pair or a flush draw also.
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