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Old 12-01-2005, 10:51 PM
MaxPower MaxPower is offline
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Default I improve - I check

30/60 game online - 10 handed.

Unknown player limps in MP1, bad loose aggressive player who thinks he is good limps in MP3, I raise in the hijack with A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], clinically insane aggressive big blind raises (he could have anything), the two limpers called, and I cap. 4 to the flop for 16sb

Flop: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB checks, MP1 Bets, MP3 calls, I call, BB folds.

Turn: A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Checked to me - I check.

River: J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

MP1 bets, MP3 raises, I call or fold?

I think all streets are debatable.
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Old 12-01-2005, 10:56 PM
BigEndian BigEndian is offline
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Default Re: I improve - I check

I think you have to call since you under-played your hand. I'm curious to hear what others think of the turn check. I do this sometimes against players who are not oblivious but the pot is big already and begs protection.

- Jim
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Old 12-02-2005, 12:21 AM
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Default Re: I improve - I check

I'm very interested in why you checked this turn.
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Old 12-02-2005, 12:49 AM
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Default Re: I improve - I check

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I'm very interested in why you checked this turn.

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Because if he's ahead he has just about zero danger of losing the hand.
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Old 12-02-2005, 01:12 AM
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Default Re: I improve - I check

Im interested in why you rule out raising as an option. Do you think MP1 is trying to checkraise the turn with a 4 in his hand?

It seems like if you were to list the reasons for checking behind on the turn, that list might include: "they might play at me on the river with worse hands". So I think the decision is between calling and raising, and since any ace will likely pay you off if you raise, I like raising better.
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Old 12-02-2005, 01:54 AM
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Default Re: I improve - I check

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I'm very interested in why you checked this turn.

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Because if he's ahead he has just about zero danger of losing the hand.

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What of the missed value here, though?
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Old 12-02-2005, 01:58 AM
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Default Re: I improve - I check

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I'm very interested in why you checked this turn.

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Because if he's ahead he has just about zero danger of losing the hand.

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Old 12-02-2005, 02:11 AM
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Default Re: I improve - I check

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I'm very interested in why you checked this turn.

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Because if he's ahead he has just about zero danger of losing the hand.

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What of the missed value here, though?

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Old 12-02-2005, 03:27 AM
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Default Re: I improve - I check

How is that a good reason to check though? He might as well bet for value and attempt to stop someone from out drawing him to something like two pair...
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Old 12-02-2005, 03:29 AM
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Default Re: I improve - I check

I'm aggressive. I bet that turn, and I don't have to worry about that happening on the river most of the time.
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