How to respond?

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I'd call and look at a flop.

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That's the wrong play. You're hitting flop 31% of the time. And when you do hit, most of the time your bet is not getting called with the A or K on the board.

You win more pushing because you get to see all 5 cards (43% of time A or K hits by river) and you get the opponents money in the pot. Add the fold equity, and you gain 1.4 BB (push) versus .2 BB (call) against typical hand range.

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

That's one reason. To me the main reason is that he'll likely go to the flop with the pot equal to more than half his remaining stack <insert my normal rant about the stupid structure at Party>. Since the flop will miss him more than half the time, he'll either have to fold after committing more than 10% of his stack or pot-commit his entire stack.

On the other hand, if he pushes and they fold, he increases his stack by 25%. Not to mention that THIS IS PARTY (sorry, didn't mean to yell), and he could get called by hands he dominates.

I was being a bit hyperbolic in my original reply about folding. AK at level 1 is always a pain in the a$$, but in this stupid, stupid, stupid 800 chip structure, when you get action, you have to go for it.

AK is a hand that wants to see all 5 board cards. It's the 3rd hardest hand to dominate. There's nothing that says he doesn't have the best hand right now. This is a situation where I'm perfectly happy to bust out because if I get called and hit, my chances of winning go way up.

[raptor517]

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calling would be terrible.

folding is only an option if you never intend to play poker again.

Push all your chips in the middle.

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why is everyone so scared of seeing a flop. god forbid you ahve to play poker. holla

[me1tdown]

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Oh and I am sure the advice is right. I called, the flop fell:

[ 3c, 2s, Jh ]

Seat 3 bet 250 and I folded.

I couldn't bear folding AKo preflop, but I didn't have the guts to push and risk busting out of the tourney in the third hand..

In the end, I finished second.

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I think you're leaving out part of the story -- it looks like seat 3 bet after the SB, and BB (you) checked on the flop, yes? Then I'm wondering about calling over 10% of your stack without taking at least a stab at the pot on the flop.

Question for the group: Is the conventional wisdom here, given that he called, that he should check or make some kind of probe bet on the flop?

[Cactus Jack]

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calling would be terrible.

folding is only an option if you never intend to play poker again.

Push all your chips in the middle.

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why is everyone so scared of seeing a flop. god forbid you ahve to play poker. holla

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I'm never scared of seeing a flop. I live on post-flop play. The problem here, I see, is you're OOP against 2 other players who may or may not be putting you in a vise. There just aren't many options here for post flop play.

CJ

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Oh and I am sure the advice is right. I called, the flop fell:

[ 3c, 2s, Jh ]

Seat 3 bet 250 and I folded.

I couldn't bear folding AKo preflop, but I didn't have the guts to push and risk busting out of the tourney in the third hand..

In the end, I finished second.

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I think you're leaving out part of the story -- it looks like seat 3 bet after the SB, and BB (you) checked on the flop, yes? Then I'm wondering about calling over 10% of your stack without taking at least a stab at the pot on the flop.

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You are right.. my mistake. It was the SB who bet(seat 4 not seat 3).

[splashpot]

Callin definately isn't terrible. The other options aren't bad. But calling isn't bad either.

[GtrHtr]

This is either a call or a fold. Pushing is pretty bad. The whole mentality of the 11s are full of donks so now I can play worse is not very helpful to anyone, particularly those players playing the 11s. -EV is -EV.

[TonyBlair]

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In the end, I finished second

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This is why pushing here sucks. Wait a bit. U did OK.

[Slim Pickens]

It's +EV to get called by KQs and AJo.