Do you raise the flop

Moonsugar · #1 04-21-2005, 10:50 AM

Just played this hand in a 30+3 Party Tourney. Do you raise the flop?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

SB (t985)
BB (t2185)
UTG (t1360)
UTG+1 (t985)
MP1 (t680)
MP2 (t1000)
Hero (t1000)
CO (t850)
Button (t955)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t15, MP1 calls t15, MP2 raises to t30, Hero calls t30, CO calls t30, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls t15, MP1 calls t15.

Flop: (t172.50) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets t30, MP2 raises to t175, Hero calls t175, CO calls t175, UTG+1 calls t175, MP1 calls t145.

Turn: (t1047.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players) MP2 bets 150, Hero gos all in for t795, CO calls, UTG+1 folds, MP 1 calls

The first couple of orbits are always so wild...

schwza · #2 04-21-2005, 11:08 AM

i think the call's ok. you're gonna vomit if a K or J hits on the turn, but when it doesn't, i think you make substantially more.

transmitt · #3 04-21-2005, 11:16 AM

This early on with pp's I've been taking the same line, play it for set value and avoid the I raise, someone pops all in on the third hand that happens often on party.

locutus2002 · #4 04-21-2005, 12:31 PM

I reraise flop to t350 and that's the last chip I will put in the pot.
I am concerned about the PF miniraise being AA.
KJ is exactly the sort of hand one of the 5 players would call a miniraise with.
and 3/4 of the turns are going to have a flush draw with great pot odds.

I reraise PF to t90. I'm not playing TT 5 ways.

Moonsugar · #5 04-21-2005, 02:31 PM

This was my thinking on the flop, if no K or J on the turn then I go all in and if no raise behind me on the flop then I still have enough chips to charge a good price to most draws.

Was up against AJ, KK, AJ. So I have really good chances. Unfortunately one of the AJ was Ah Jh and I lost to a low heart on the river.

Moonsugar · #6 04-21-2005, 02:44 PM

I think you should rethink some of these ideas.

Those are the last chips you put in? What if all call and UTG+1 leads out witha bet of t15 on the turn? You are folding?

Miniraise can be any two cards in the first few orbits of these tournies. If the guy has AA and no K or J hit I am losing all my chips, thats just the way it goes.

Flush draws are not going to get "great pot odds" on the turn. (Not if they have my sized stack and I know I am going all in on the turn in most scenarios.)

TT 5 ways preflop for the min raise is awesome at this stage of a tourney. It presents a chance to get a huge stack.