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Old 07-14-2005, 02:36 AM
RiverFenix RiverFenix is offline
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Default where did this 2+2er go wrong? observed hand

This is from memory from a few sessions ago, was meaning to post it. UTG villian is typical party LAG, BB was typical passive fish. Villian was up a buyin, fish at 50, hero at 50.

PP$50 NL 6max
UTG raise to $1, fold, fold, Hero raise to $2, SB folds, BB & UTG call

FLOP (~$6) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Check, check, hero bets 6, call, call

Turn ~$24 J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Check, check, Hero bets 7, fold, call.

River ~$38 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Villian bets 10, hero calls


I think hero played this hand horribly and it was pretty obvious to me what he had. Ill post results in ~12 hours or so after this gets some discussion
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Old 07-14-2005, 04:51 AM
AllIn3High AllIn3High is offline
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Default Re: where did this 2+2er go wrong? observed hand

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This is from memory from a few sessions ago, was meaning to post it. UTG villian is typical party LAG, BB was typical passive fish. Villian was up a buyin, fish at 50, hero at 50.

PP$50 NL 6max
UTG raise to $1, fold, fold, Hero raise to $2, SB folds, BB & UTG call

FLOP (~$6) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Check, check, hero bets 6, call, call

Turn ~$24 J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Check, check, Hero bets 7, fold, call.

River ~$38 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Villian bets 10, hero calls


I think hero played this hand horribly and it was pretty obvious to me what he had. Ill post results in ~12 hours or so after this gets some discussion

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Regardless of hero's cards, pre-flop and turn bets are way too small.

Hero held AK?
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Old 07-14-2005, 07:48 AM
boondockst boondockst is offline
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Default Re: where did this 2+2er go wrong? observed hand

Min-raising NEVER has a purpose....Not ever....I think i did it once in a tournament in the first level when i wanted to see a cheap flop with a SC in MP after 3 had already limped and i feared a semi-marginal holding would try to thin the field. The flop bet is good and even though it sucks getting called by two who had checked, he still needs to muster a solid bet on the turn. There is no holding that i'd call $6 on the flop with that I wouldn't call $7 on the turn with. Beat by a straight flush would be cool....Just a flush?
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Old 07-14-2005, 08:03 AM
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Default Re: where did this 2+2er go wrong? observed hand

Is the bb 50c?

With AK, hero can either flat call or make a bigger raise preflop - $3 at least, $4 if thats likely to get calls from hands other than AA/KK.

Turn there is no reason to slow down.

River, given the weak turn bet I think hero is obligated to call now he has invited a steal on the scare card.

If hero had 78s (not hearts) then I don't like the preflop raise or the turn bet, calling the river looks good.
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Old 07-14-2005, 08:07 AM
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Default Re: where did this 2+2er go wrong? observed hand

I'm gonna say he had JJ.
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Old 07-14-2005, 09:10 AM
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Default Re: where did this 2+2er go wrong? observed hand

EDIT: Actually, maybe he flopped a set of 5s or 6s
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Old 07-14-2005, 09:13 AM
TheWorstPlayer TheWorstPlayer is offline
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Default Re: where did this 2+2er go wrong? observed hand

Hero should re-raise more preflop and should bet more on the turn. I have no problems getting it all-in here with AK. If he's actually being a wimp on the turn because he has KK, then he has many more problems.
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Old 07-14-2005, 01:52 PM
RiverFenix RiverFenix is offline
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Default Re: where did this 2+2er go wrong? observed hand

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I'm gonna say he had JJ.

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Hero held JJ, his play on the turn was terrible and not raising more pf was questionable (but wrong). With two flop callers to a pot sized bet, he was now laying them correct odds to chace for flush/straight/etc not to mention left the pot small enough that a river push would seem big still. I almost hoped he got beat...

Villian flipped over A5 (or A6, cant remember) and lucky for hero wasnt calling for the flush
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