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Old 12-23-2005, 02:17 PM
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Default JJ, opening hand

First hand, everyone is unknown to me.

Blinds are 10/15.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

Button (t800)
SB (t800)
BB (t800)
UTG (t800)
UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t800)
<font color="#C00000">MP1 (t800)</font>
MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t800)
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t800)</font>

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t30</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls t30, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t175</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t145, MP3 calls t145.

Flop: (t577.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP1 checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t150</font>, MP1 calls t150, MP3 folds.

Turn: (t877.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

River: (t877.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets t175</font>, Hero calls t175.

Final Pot: t1227.50
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: t1227.50 (t1227.50), between MP1 and Hero.</font>
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Old 12-23-2005, 02:28 PM
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Default Re: JJ, opening hand

I think that was well played. I might have checked the flop and then bet if checked to on the turn. I call the river too.
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Old 12-23-2005, 02:29 PM
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Default Re: JJ, opening hand

What buy in?

I don't play JJ this aggressively preflop ten handed. Personally I'd call the 30, and see a flop. (If I do raise, it's no more than 3x the min raise). Putting in 1/4 of your stack makes the pot so big, any continuation bet is crippling/committing. I think this early, my line is call the minraise. Fold to a raise on this flop, if the flop checks to me I'll lead out half pot. If I get callers/cr'ers I'm done with the hand.
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Old 12-23-2005, 02:32 PM
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Pre-Flop
looks good (to me)

Flop
Maybe make the bet t200 on the flop? (about 1/3)

Turn
This is a constant situation for me on the turn. Best
thing to do is recap what has gone down so far. He called
a min raise pre-flop, then called your 145 reraise. He
likes what he sees, but perhaps he sees no value in
raising it himself? A-x suited? KJ+? Low pocket pair? Was
he trying to trap with that flop check? With all that
said, I would put in a bet of about t300. Otherwise
you're gonna have to make a tough decision on the ...

River
Now that we're here, what the hell do we do? Close your
eyes and call with 6:1 odds, is what. Sigh ...
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Old 12-23-2005, 02:33 PM
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Default Re: JJ, opening hand

It was a $10 buy-in.

One thing I'm not too sure about at this point, (but something I'm trying to get better at), is how much to bet and raise relative to the size of the pot and the size of my stack.
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Old 12-23-2005, 02:57 PM
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At the 11's, it's a little bit trickier, because you'll have this many limpers. Obviously any starting hand you have is devalued with 5 people in the pot, so you're thinking you have to raise this much to isolate one, hopefully no more than two. The problem with this is that at this level, 90% of the players (or more) don't understand or play optimally late, or on the bubble. You have a tremendous advantage just being at the table late, so why do you risk so much in the first level? If you just call this minraise, you'll stack your opponents many times if you hit a set w/ overcards on the board, and when the flop comes rags, TPTK will come in w/ you. Minimize risk and maximze reward. As far as betting goes relative to pot and your stack size, there's not a standard formula (I'm aware of), but it's something you need to be conscious of at all times. What are your goals in raising, and how much will be required to do so (isolating, etc.)? How much will you have to commit for a continuation here? How vulnerable is your hand? If you're going to raise more than 40% of your stack, push. Do you have a significant advantage if you don't risk so much here? These are all questions I try to think about if I'm going to make a substantial raise early.
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Old 12-23-2005, 03:08 PM
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Preflop - you made a very big raise and got two callers. Unless they're both morons (which is possible at this buy-in), one of them has an ace or higher pair. I think you could have gained the same info by raising to $100 or so.

Flop - you bet 1/4 of the pot. This bet really didn't gain you any information about MP1s hand. You don't know whether he has an ace, a pocket pair or a flush draw. The problem is, if you bet more than 1/2 the pot, you've committed 1/2 your stack on this hand. I think you should either check or go all-in. I don't really like risking everything this early, with your hand and this flop, so I would probably check. If the turn was bet, I would probably fold. If the turn was checked and river was bet, I would call up to about 150.
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Old 12-23-2005, 03:52 PM
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Default Re: JJ, opening hand

I limp along preflop and I'm done with this hand on the flop in an 11. Why do you want to give your chips to the guy with A4o?
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Old 12-23-2005, 04:54 PM
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Because he might have 66?
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Old 12-23-2005, 05:02 PM
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Default Re: JJ, opening hand

I limp with jacks or lower in lvl 1 or 2. That is assuming this is an $11 or $22.
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