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10-30-2005, 06:10 PM
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Re: Wait for the turn with an overpair
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I have to raise the flop to try to get overcards (like KJ) out of there. [/ QUOTE ] WouldŽnt you actually raise and hope the KJ would call? If a KJ seeŽs the flop for 2 sb and 3 people call, they will be paying 10:2 => 5:1 making their 6 outs unprofitable. And since poker is a zero-sum game... blah blah. ---- And why the hell does it say "poker novice" in the bottom? - Something i didŽnt write... 
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#4
10-30-2005, 06:33 PM
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Re: Wait for the turn with an overpair
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[ QUOTE ] I have to raise the flop to try to get overcards (like KJ) out of there. [/ QUOTE ] WouldŽnt you actually raise and hope the KJ would call? If a KJ seeŽs the flop for 2 sb and 3 people call, they will be paying 10:2 => 5:1 making their 6 outs unprofitable. And since poker is a zero-sum game... blah blah. ---- And why the hell does it say "poker novice" in the bottom? - Something i didŽnt write... [/ QUOTE ] In this hand, 5 people limped for 1 bet. No one raised. With your raise on the flop, overcards are getting 7:2 ($1 went to the rake). Sure you could still be ahead if an overcard comes, but are you really going to be happy, and how are you going to play it with people left to act behind you? This is a pot you what to take down now or at least thin the field as much as possible. At the very least, I want to buy last position for the turn.
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#5
10-30-2005, 06:49 PM
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Re: Wait for the turn with an overpair
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I have to raise the flop to try to get overcards (like KJ) out of there. [/ QUOTE ] WouldŽnt you actually raise and hope the KJ would call? If a KJ seeŽs the flop for 2 sb and 3 people call, they will be paying 10:2 => 5:1 making their 6 outs unprofitable. And since poker is a zero-sum game... blah blah. ---- And why the hell does it say "poker novice" in the bottom? - Something i didŽnt write... [/ QUOTE ] In this hand, 5 people limped for 1 bet. No one raised. With your raise on the flop, overcards are getting 7:2 ($1 went to the rake). Sure you could still be ahead if an overcard comes, but are you really going to be happy, and how are you going to play it with people left to act behind you? This is a pot you what to take down now or at least thin the field as much as possible. At the very least, I want to buy last position for the turn. [/ QUOTE ] The positional factor seems quite valueable here. ItŽs quite hard (for me at least) to estimate what is best when more people are in the pot. We are ahead now. But suppose two opponents hold: ak and qj... They might both make a mistake on the flop by calling a raise. But... If both calls the raise, is it still to our advantage. DoesnŽt seem that way, but iŽll try to do some calculations and see where they lead me.
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#6
10-30-2005, 07:00 PM
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Re: Wait for the turn with an overpair
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I have to raise the flop to try to get overcards (like KJ) out of there. [/ QUOTE ] WouldŽnt you actually raise and hope the KJ would call? If a KJ seeŽs the flop for 2 sb and 3 people call, they will be paying 10:2 => 5:1 making their 6 outs unprofitable. And since poker is a zero-sum game... blah blah. ---- And why the hell does it say "poker novice" in the bottom? - Something i didŽnt write... [/ QUOTE ] In this hand, 5 people limped for 1 bet. No one raised. With your raise on the flop, overcards are getting 7:2 ($1 went to the rake). Sure you could still be ahead if an overcard comes, but are you really going to be happy, and how are you going to play it with people left to act behind you? This is a pot you what to take down now or at least thin the field as much as possible. At the very least, I want to buy last position for the turn. [/ QUOTE ] The positional factor seems quite valueable here. ItŽs quite hard (for me at least) to estimate what is best when more people are in the pot. We are ahead now. But suppose two opponents hold: ak and qj... They might both make a mistake on the flop by calling a raise. But... If both calls the raise, is it still to our advantage. DoesnŽt seem that way, but iŽll try to do some calculations and see where they lead me. [/ QUOTE ] I think the biggest factor here is that you are probably ahead now, but your hand is extremely vulnerable. Also, there are 30+ scare cards for the turn (9-A, 4, 5). Even if you are ahead if one of these cards falls, what are you going to do with 2 people behind you? Check Call the turn and the river? Bet and fold to a raise? Just try and win the pot now.
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#7
10-30-2005, 07:02 PM
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Re: Wait for the turn with an overpair
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I have to raise the flop to try to get overcards (like KJ) out of there. [/ QUOTE ] WouldŽnt you actually raise and hope the KJ would call? If a KJ seeŽs the flop for 2 sb and 3 people call, they will be paying 10:2 => 5:1 making their 6 outs unprofitable. And since poker is a zero-sum game... blah blah. ---- And why the hell does it say "poker novice" in the bottom? - Something i didŽnt write... [/ QUOTE ] In this hand, 5 people limped for 1 bet. No one raised. With your raise on the flop, overcards are getting 7:2 ($1 went to the rake). Sure you could still be ahead if an overcard comes, but are you really going to be happy, and how are you going to play it with people left to act behind you? This is a pot you what to take down now or at least thin the field as much as possible. At the very least, I want to buy last position for the turn. [/ QUOTE ] The positional factor seems quite valueable here. ItŽs quite hard (for me at least) to estimate what is best when more people are in the pot. We are ahead now. But suppose two opponents hold: ak and qj... They might both make a mistake on the flop by calling a raise. But... If both calls the raise, is it still to our advantage. DoesnŽt seem that way, but iŽll try to do some calculations and see where they lead me. [/ QUOTE ] I think the biggest factor here is that you are probably ahead now, but your hand is extremely vulnerable. Also, there are 30+ scare cards for the turn (9-A, 4, 5). Even if you are ahead if one of these cards falls, what are you going to do with 2 people behind you? Check Call the turn and the river? Bet and fold to a raise? Just try and win the pot now. [/ QUOTE ] Point taken. I agree.
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