More proof that I hate all Muslims...

[Gamblor]

...and that they're genetically inferior, etc. etc.

At least, that's how Cyrus and ACPlayer will read this post.

Jeff Jacoby

IT WAS front-page news this week when Newsweek retracted a report claiming that a US interrogator in Guantanamo had flushed a copy of the Koran down a toilet. Everywhere it was noted that Newsweek's story had sparked widespread Muslim rioting, in which at least 17 people were killed. But there was no mention of deadly protests triggered in recent years by comparable acts of desecration against other religions.

No one recalled, for example, that American Catholics lashed out in violent rampages in 1989, after photographer Andres Serrano's ''Piss Christ" -- a photograph of a crucifix submerged in urine -- was included in an exhibition subsidized by the National Endowment for the Arts. Or that they rioted in 1992 when singer Sinead O'Connor, appearing on ''Saturday Night Live," ripped up a photograph of Pope John Paul II.

There was no reminder that Jewish communities erupted in lethal violence in 2000, after Arabs demolished Joseph's Tomb, torching the ancient shrine and murdering a young rabbi who tried to save a Torah. And nobody noted that Buddhists went on a killing spree in 2001 in response to the destruction of two priceless, 1,500-year-old statues of Buddha by the Taliban government in Afghanistan.

Of course, there was a good reason all these bloody protests went unremembered in the coverage of the Newsweek affair: They never occurred.

Christians, Jews, and Buddhists don't lash out in homicidal rage when their religion is insulted. They don't call for holy war and riot in the streets. It would be unthinkable for a mainstream priest, rabbi, or lama to demand that a blasphemer be slain. But when Reuters reported what Mohammad Hanif, the imam of a Muslim seminary in Pakistan, said about the alleged Koran-flushers -- ''They should be hung. They should be killed in public so that no one can dare to insult Islam and its sacred symbols" -- was any reader surprised?

The Muslim riots should have been met by outrage and condemnation. From every part of the civilized world should have come denunciations of those who would react to the supposed destruction of a book with brutal threats and the slaughter of 17 innocent people. But the chorus of condemnation was directed not at the killers and the fanatics who incited them, but at Newsweek.

From the White House down, the magazine was slammed -- for running an item it should have known might prove incendiary, for relying on a shaky source, for its animus toward the military and the war. Over and over, Newsweek was blamed for the riots' death toll. Conservative pundits in particular piled on. ''Newsweek lied, people died" was the headline on Michelle Malkin's popular website. At NationalReview.com, Paul Marshall of Freedom House fumed: ''What planet do these [Newsweek] people live on? . . . Anybody with a little knowledge could have told them it was likely that people would die as a result of the article." All of Marshall's choler was reserved for Newsweek; he had no criticism at all for the marauders in the Muslim street.

Then there was Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, who announced at a Senate hearing that she had a message for ''Muslims in America and throughout the world." And what was that message? That decent people do not resort to murder just because someone has offended their religious sensibilities? That the primitive bloodlust raging in Afghanistan and Pakistan was evidence of the Muslim world's dysfunctional political culture?

No: Her message was that ''disrespect for the Holy Koran is not now, nor has it ever been, nor will it ever be, tolerated by the United States."

Granted, Rice spoke while the rioting was still taking place and her goal was to reduce the anti-American fever. But what ''Muslims in America and throughout the world" most need to hear is not pandering sweet-talk. What they need is a blunt reminder that the real desecration of Islam is not what some interrogator in Guantanamo might have done to the Koran. It is what totalitarian Muslim zealots have been doing to innocent human beings in the name of Islam. It is 9/11 and Beslan and Bali and Daniel Pearl and the USS Cole. It is trains in Madrid and schoolbuses in Israel and an ''insurgency" in Iraq that slaughters Muslims as they pray and vote and line up for work. It is Hamas and Al Qaeda and sermons filled with infidel-hatred and exhortations to ''martyrdom."

But what disgraces Islam above all is the vast majority of the planet's Muslims saying nothing and doing nothing about the jihadist cancer eating away at their religion. It is Free Muslims Against Terrorism, a pro-democracy organization, calling on Muslims and Middle Easterners to ''converge on our nation's capital for a rally against terrorism" -- and having only 50 people show up.

Yes, Islam is disrespected. That will only change when throngs of passionate Muslims show up for rallies against terrorism, and when rabble-rousers trying to gin up a riot over a defiled Koran can't get the time of day.

[MMMMMM]

Well, I may as well throw another log on the fire.

The article below is a bit over-the-top in tone and suchlike, and therefore perhaps distasteful in some ways, but it still makes some valid and important points.


"By Don Feder
Posted March 12, 2005

Pat Robertson has done it again – gone and told the truth about Islam. How hateful! How hurtful! How – honest.

Interviewed on ABC’s “This Week with George Stephanopoulos,” on May 2nd , Robertson said that if he was elected president, he would not appoint a Muslim to his cabinet or favor the appointment of Muslim judges.”

What, no Muslim attorney general? I can’t believe it! Think of all the people convicted of mail fraud who’ll be walking around with both of their hands.

Pat explained: “They have said in the Koran there’s a war against all the infidels. Do you want somebody like that sitting as a judge?”

“Hate-filled remarks,” shrieked the DC-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR). “He’s trying to perpetuate this notion that Islam is a monolithic entity inherently at odds with democracy,” sputtered Arsalan Iftikhar, CAIR’s national legal director. “That is absolutely false. …American Muslims have long been contributing members of American society.”

Many and varied are Muslim contributions to American society, like the holy warriors who recently set off a series of small explosions outside the British consulate in New York City.

· Like two Muslim community leaders in Albany, New York, who tried to buy a shoulder-launched missile to take out the Pakistani ambassador last year.

· Like now imprisoned Sheik Omar Abdul Rahman, who tried to blow up the World Trade Center in 1993.

· Like former University of South Florida Professor Sami Al-Arian, who, over the years, has told American Muslim audiences: “Jihad is our path. Victory for Islam. Death to Israel. Revolution until victory.” Al-Arian is facing a federal charge that he raised money for a Middle East terrorist group.

· Like the Muslim who murdered Rabbi Meir Kahane in New York City in 1990.

· Like the Egyptian immigrant who shot up the El Al counter at LAX in 2002 (killing 2).

· Like Muslim Rashid Baz, who opened fire on a van of Hassidic kids on the Brooklyn Bridge in 1994 (one dead).

· Like The Beltway Snipers.

· Like American Taliban John Walker Lindh, who betrayed his country and fought for the 9-11 killers in Afghanistan.

· Like Army Sgt. Hasan Akbar, who killed two of his comrades in a grenade attack in the opening days of the Iraq war.

· Or, like Randall Todd (Ismail) Royer, formerly a staffer in CAIR’s national headquarters, who – in April 2004 – pleaded guilty to conspiring to train Americans for jihad. CAIR, by the way, is an offshoot of the Islamic Association for Palestine (another Muslim civil rights group) fingered as a Hamas front by two former FBI heads.

If overpopulation was a problem in the U.S., more American Muslims would be the solution. But there I go again, being hateful and hurtful.

Tell me, Arsalan, old boy, exactly how many democracies are there in the Islamic world? (Hint, you don’t need a calculator to do the math.) If self-government takes root in Iraq, it will be the one and only genuine democracy in a nation with a Muslim majority. Nevertheless, the Prophet’s advance men assure us that the religion of holy war is entirely compatible with democracy and pluralism.

Even Iraq is looking doubtful. An April poll of Iraqis showed 74% believe Islam should be the main source of the nation’s laws. Hey, it’s worked for Iran.

Useful idiots on the left joined their Muslim handlers in denouncing the CBN head. Robertson’s remarks were “irresponsible, extreme and hurtful,” pronounced the “Rev.” Jim Wallis, of the lefty Sojourners (God is an environmentalist, feminist, peacenik) Magazine.

Have you noticed how Islam has become the left’s favorite religion? It figures. The Left hates America, Israel and Christians. So do the jihadists. My enemy’s enemy, as the saying goes.

“Inflammatory statements (like Robertson’s) only go towards burning the bridges, not building them,” Iftikhar advised. Isn’t it nice the way Muslim mouthpieces have learned lib-speak, the better to appeal to Starbucks multiculturalists?

Is Pat into bridge-burning? Well, what can you expect from a fundamentalist Christian? Like comedian Jackie Mason, who was savaged last summer for observing on a nationally syndicated radio show, “the whole Muslim religion” is a “murderous organization” that instructs its followers in hate, terrorism and murder.” (Mason is guilty of an “Islamophobic smear,” wailed CAIR.)

Or, what about the Southern Baptist who led Britain in World War II.? Winston Spencer Churchill observed Islam “above all other (religions) was founded and propagated by the sword” and that it provided “incentives to slaughter, and in three continents has produced fighting breeds of men – filled with a wild and merciless fanaticism.” Why , Winnie, you old Islamophobe, you!

Yes, my friends, disciples of the religion of peace are into building bridges. And the first church in Saudi Arabia is opening when?

On April 21st, the Saudi religious police (known as the Authority for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice”), scooped up a criminal gang in a raid on a Riyadh apartment. The desperate and dangerous felons (40 Pakistani men, women and children) were listening to Christian sermons on tape and praying in the name of Jesus. All of which are hanging offenses in the most Muslim nation on Earth.

A Saudi police source was quoted as saying, “These people tried to spread the poison (i.e., Christianity) and their beliefs to others, by means of distributing pamphlets and (missionary) publications.” The villains!

OK, but that’s just those weird bed-sheeted fanatics in Saudi Arabia, Islamic apologists will respond.

Closer to home, in late January the well-respected Freedom House (in no way connected to Robertson’s Regent University) issued a report on the bridge-building blueprints found in a number of American mosques.

A random survey of a dozen mosques in six states and DC (undertaken by Arabic speakers) found 57 documents promoting hatred of Christians and Jews, as well as explaining the imperative to subvert the United States and other Western societies. An article in The Wall Street Journal reported: “The documents stress that when Muslims are in the lands of the unbelievers, they must behave as if on a mission behind enemy lines. Either they are there to acquire new knowledge and make money to be later employed in the jihad against infidels, or they are there to proselytize the infidels until at least some convert to Islam.”

Two of those converts – John Allen Muhammed and Lee Malvo – affectionately known as the Beltway snipers – were convicted of the cold-blooded murders of 10 Americans in 2002. Apparently, someone forgot to tell them that Muslims love infidels and Islam is entirely compatible with democracy and pluralism.

Did you know that many of the 1,200 mosques in the United States are Saudi subsidized? According to a March 11, 2003 report in the St. Petersburg Times, 27% of all American mosques are owned by the Islamic Society of North America, which in turn is a subsidiary of the North American Islamic Trust, which itself is heavily funded by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

Is it a mere coincidence that wherever Muslims settle in significant numbers – or Islam spreads – the death toll mounts?

Take Nigeria. The nation is divided between Muslims in the north and 66 million Christians in the south. A third of Nigeria’s 36 states have adopted Sharia (Islamic law) – with the loping off of limbs, floggings and executions for adultery and “slandering” the Prophet.

Naturally, Nigerian bridge-builders are hot to impose this enlightened system – including inferior legal status for non-Muslims -- on unbelievers. Armed gangs have taken to attacking Christian villages. In one such assault, carried out by 400 heavily armed jihadists on the village of Yelwa, 80 percent of the homes were destroyed.

No one knows how many bodies are buried in Yelwa’s mass graves. Abel Gobum, a pastor, showed a camera crew the graves, pointing to one that holds villagers slaughtered in a church. Among them were 20 children, hacked to death with machetes and swords.

In his 1996 book, “The Clash of Civilizations And Remaking of World Order,” historian Samuel Huntington speaks of “Islam’s bloody borders,” meaning that wherever Islam comes in contact with another faith (Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism) conflict ensues – spanning the spectrum from discrimination to genocide.

Israel, the Sudan, Nigeria, the Balkans, the Indian subcontinent, Indonesia and the Philippines. What do they all have in common? Either a Muslim majority is making life miserable for infidels, or Muslims seek to dominate non-Muslims by agitation, subversion and warfare.

When realists like Robertson note the obvious, the response of Muslim spokesmen and apologists is: Violent Muslims are a distinct minority who have somehow, inexplicably, misinterpreted their religion of peace (hence terms like “Muslim extremists,” “radical Islam,” “political Islam,” and “Islamocists”).

Exaggeration is another favorite tactic of the jihad cheerleaders. Again, the “Rev.” Wallis asserts that Pat Robertson claims “all Muslims want to kill us,” and such libels hurts moderates while strengthening the hand of Muslim extremists.

In reality, there’s no one – including Robertson – who thinks that all 1 billion Muslims in the world want to kill the rest of us. (Why, it’s probably no more than a few hundred million.) Clearly, there are many Muslims who – like most people everywhere – want to live peacefully with their neighbors.

There are Muslims who have reinterpreted their religion to make it compatible with things like majority rule and human rights (not to mention indoor-plumbing). But such concepts are alien to Islam. The overwhelming majority of those who understand the religion best (including mullahs, imams and the scholars of Cairo’s al-Hazar University) – those who study and live it – aren’t exactly Arabic-speaking Quakers.

That’s why it’s so absurd for dogmatic optimists to proclaim that Hamas, Hezbollah, bin Laden, the Iranian mullacracy, Saudi Wahabists, Lebanese Shiites, and Iraqi Sunnis detonating car bombs in Baghdad, somehow got it wrong, but they (Westerners who’ve read the Koran Cliff Notes) intuitively understand the essence of a religion they neither study, practice nor believe.

Robertson’s right.

That structure Islamic activists are building isn’t a peace-bridge to the 21st. century, but a highway to Hell."

http://www.donfeder.com/index.html

[ACPlayer]

It must be nice to be able to write articles while ignoring facts.

Jacoby is pure bigotry as pointed our eloquently and clearly here.

Gamblor and 6M continue to show their racism with these two posts.


and that they're genetically inferior, etc. etc

At least, that's how Cyrus and ACPlayer will read this post.


I dont know where you got that I would think the muslims as genetically inferior. I do know that your thinking is tainted by your emotion of hatred -- i dont even think that YOU are genetically inferior.

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Obviously, Gamblor was being satirical with his introductory remarks.

ACPlayer, you need to understand that criticizing culture or philosophy or religion is NOT the same as criticizing race.

Ideas and customs NEED to be criticized whenever they are harmful or wrong.

Get with the program and critically analyze things. That a billion people might believe something, anything--does not in any way validate those beliefs.

[ACPlayer]

Bigotry comes in many forms. The links offered are those of bigots. Those offering them are at least suspect.

Get with the program and critically analyze things.

I do. You dont. Period. It has been demonstrated in thread after thread after thread.

Your postings on tis subject are coloured by way too much emotion - mostly fear and hatred-- fed by propoganda from the likes of MEMRI. Not conducive to clear thinking.

[Felix_Nietsche]

Based on the ACTIONS and INACTIONS of its 'pious and righteous' followers, I see nothing to respect from Islam. If the 'pious and rightious' followers of Islam approve of flying planes into buildings and murdering people, I'd sure hate to meet the less pious of their religion. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Bush43 has been going out of his way to talk about the great and noble religion of Islam but he is not very convincing.
Who are you going to believe? Him? or your lying eyes?

Even though I'm an atheist, I do respect most religions.
My highest respect goes to the Later Day Saints(Mormans). In my life experience, I have found that Mormans walk-the-walk and talk-the-talk better then any other pious products of other religions. When they knock on my door and two 21yr old Morman name 'Elder Jones' and 'Elder Smith', I make time for them even though their chance of converting me is about equal to Osama Bin Laden becoming a Christian.

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Bigotry comes in many forms. The links offered are those of bigots. Those offering them are at least suspect.


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[kurto]

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Based on the ACTIONS and INACTIONS of its 'pious and righteous' followers, I see nothing to respect from Islam. If the 'pious and rightious' followers of Islam approve of flying planes into buildings and murdering people, I'd sure hate to meet the less pious of their religion.

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The majority of Muslims don't believe the fanatics are pious.

Muslims around the world have spoken out against the fanatics who are bastardizing their religion. Is it a surprise that this isn't carried in the news? (To be fair, I read numerous articles about various muslim leaders denouncing Muslim Terrorists. But you have to read about it. They don't do a lot of stories about that on Dateline.)

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Bush43 has been going out of his way to talk about the great and noble religion of Islam but he is not very convincing.
Who are you going to believe? Him? or your lying eyes?


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There are billions of Muslims. The fanatical terrorists, who even if they numbered in the millions, would still be a tiny minority of all people who claim to be Muslim. It would be like saying the Christians that murder abortion doctors or the Catholics who bomb Protestants in Ireland represented all Christians.

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Even though I'm an atheist, I do respect most religions.
My highest respect goes to the Later Day Saints(Mormans).

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You should read "Under the Banner of Heaven." It might change your mind. (and let me start by saying, the book doesn't put all Mormons under a bad light... but you should read how some of them walk the walk. Its got murder, incest, women in slavery, abuse, corruption... Its a mindblower.

[Gamblor]

Jacoby clearly and wrongly interchanges Muslim and Arab IMO.

So the real question is:

1.2 billion muslims hunting a few outlaw fanatics can't be a difficult chore.

If a vast majority of Middle East Muslims have properly demanded the arrest of all terrorists and denounced terrorist actions and are willing to aid anyone in apprehending these "fanatics", why are they still free?

More importantly, why haven't I heard about this manhunt? I read the news.

Is the news trying to hide the moderate muslims?

no. because only when we head west do the moderates really appear. In the middle east, there is virtually no moderation in Islam.

Now don't get me wrong. I've been to Jordan and Egypt and for the most part, nobody gives a [censored] about politics. but its still muslims-first.

[MMMMMM]

If you guys want to see REAL bigotry, look at the Muslim world. There you will find, glaringly, the most blatant forms of bigotry anywhere on Earth (and it is against non-Muslims and against women).

Are you guys really concerned about bigotry, or do you just want to defend your sides of an argument? If you're REALLY concerned about bigotry, your attention shoukd be directed to where the problem is biggest (by far).

One other thing: criticizing bigotry--or criticizing bigoted religious-political systems--is not itself bigotry--it's just the only decent thing to do.