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Old 06-24-2004, 05:37 AM
DeeJ DeeJ is offline
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Default Where\'s your first Red figure on Pokertracker?

I am delighted that I have excised all red figures from the General Info screen when it pops up with my stats. Ordered by hand, by default.

All the $Won,Avg/Hand and BB/Hand numbers are green. This is with 16,700 hands.

Scrolling down, we hit a red figure.

Mine is embarrassingly at ATo where although I'm just +ve EV the net figure is down (playing at multiple levels this can happen).

It reads

Hand:ATo Times:149 Win:22.82% $ Won <font color="red"> ($25.50) </font> Avg/Hand <font color="red"> ($0.17) </font> BB/Hand <font color="green"> 0.05 </font> .

Anyone care to trade? Anyone got green all the way down the aces? More intellectually, how low should one be able to achieve green figures?

[I appreciate A2o is weaker than KK. The question is intended to generate discussion about how low Aces I should be aiming to be profitable, and if all Aces are profitable, then how low Kings could go etc]
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Old 06-24-2004, 06:53 AM
Michael Davis Michael Davis is offline
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Default Re: Where\'s your first Red figure on Pokertracker?

Given that you're only going to be playing ragged aces in the big blind and the occasional blind-steal, I don't see how anybody could really be making money with these hands when they're offsuited.

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Old 06-24-2004, 07:05 AM
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Default Re: Where\'s your first Red figure on Pokertracker?

25,000 hands ATs (0.21) BB per hand.

99 is my 4th best hand 1.25BB per hand

AA
KK
AKs
99
AQs
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worst hand is QTs (0.83) per hand
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Old 06-24-2004, 07:28 AM
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Default Re: Where\'s your first Red figure on Pokertracker?

Where is the expert's +/- EV line? A9o? A7o? You don't say....
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Old 06-24-2004, 07:43 AM
Michael Davis Michael Davis is offline
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Default Re: Where\'s your first Red figure on Pokertracker?

I don't know, I'm not an expert. In a full ring game, I seriously doubt anyone could make money with A7o.

FWIW, I think a 40-80 expert could probably turn a profit with A8o on steals alone. An expert playing in a 4-8 game could not do this.

-Michael
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Old 06-24-2004, 08:23 AM
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Default Re: Where\'s your first Red figure on Pokertracker?

When I first astarted using PT, this was teh first change to my game. A7 and lower were all losers for me, and I stopped playing them anywhere but on the button, and only first in.
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Old 06-24-2004, 08:37 AM
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Default Re: Where\'s your first Red figure on Pokertracker?

So with your gzillion hands logged,are you actually making any money with aynthing A7o,A6o etc or lower?

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Old 06-24-2004, 10:45 AM
BigBaitsim (milo) BigBaitsim (milo) is offline
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Default Re: Where\'s your first Red figure on Pokertracker?

You mean they're not supposed to all be red? [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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Old 06-24-2004, 11:45 AM
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Default Re: Where\'s your first Red figure on Pokertracker?

i am winning down to A8o, where all of the offsuit aces begin losing for around -0.02 (tiny) margins. A2o is my only non-tiny loser at -0.15. A7s is a 0.08 loser while all other suited aces but the venerable A2s (-0.03) are profitable.
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Old 06-24-2004, 11:59 AM
Patrick del Poker Grande Patrick del Poker Grande is offline
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Default Ready for some hard core statistical significance?

I have not won any of the whopping three times I've had AKs for a loss of 3.5BB/hand (I've only got 1585 hands in PT right now).

I also lose with AT, but all other aces are good down to A8o, which I'm -0.16BB/hand on.

I actually was losing overall with AA until my last session - now I'm up to a huge 0.43BB/hand (7 hands) with the ol' rockets.
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