Watching this years WSOP the final straw.

[Jason Strasser]

Quiet, you fish.

Seriously, I do think it is a fairly interesting option that I never really do in a tourney with like 20-40bb. Any deeper I've been doing a little more common when there are v weak players in the blinds, or overaggressive ones who I may limp reraise from the button.

Your limp w/ AK though that one tournament I still don't like. Al busted a player who open limped on the button with J2s, maybe he'll talk about that hand because it was kinda weird.

-Jason

[BobboFitos]

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22 against a chronic reraiser?

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I like to open limp on the button with hands like KQs/AJo/QJs/small pairs and the like against chronic re-raisers (which everyone seems to be when you are at the last few tables and make a button raise)

Basically I'm avoiding bloating the pot too much PF, as I will call his raise, but the pot will be more like 8-10BB's + antes instead of 18-10BB's, and if we are only 30-50BB's deep by that time, it makes all the difference in the world in allowing me to use position for the rest of the hand.

If I raise it up PF he either blows me off my hand or I'm going to the felt with a hand that doesn't warrant it, those stack sizes can make PF raises tough with hands you really want to play (especially with position) but can't take any real heat, and need at least 2 streets of betting to play well

That's my take. I play a lot of tourneys, but generally am not as good as most here at deep stack NLHE.

Regards,
Woodguy

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Problem with this imo is if someone is perceptive they can take you off your limp anyway, and limp/calling on the button vs a random hand, where you need to hit your hand and he doesnt need to hit his reverses your position, if you know what I mean.

imo those hands mentioned are generally profitable due to their steal equity. Taking the blinds is just fine, if you raise, you'd rather not get a caller.

Plus open limping creates too many situations where they can make postflop +EV decisions, whereas winning the pot in the pf stage eliminates this.

Also, if they're blowing you out pf by reraising too much, it's not that hard to limit your stealing and increasing your push frequency? Well, it's not easy, either, but more profitable then open limping imo.

[Roman]

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22 against a chronic reraiser?

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I like to open limp on the button with hands like KQs/AJo/QJs/small pairs and the like against chronic re-raisers (which everyone seems to be when you are at the last few tables and make a button raise)

Basically I'm avoiding bloating the pot too much PF, as I will call his raise, but the pot will be more like 8-10BB's + antes instead of 18-10BB's, and if we are only 30-50BB's deep by that time, it makes all the difference in the world in allowing me to use position for the rest of the hand.

If I raise it up PF he either blows me off my hand or I'm going to the felt with a hand that doesn't warrant it, those stack sizes can make PF raises tough with hands you really want to play (especially with position) but can't take any real heat, and need at least 2 streets of betting to play well

That's my take. I play a lot of tourneys, but generally am not as good as most here at deep stack NLHE.

Regards,
Woodguy

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Problem with this imo is if someone is perceptive they can take you off your limp anyway, and limp/calling on the button vs a random hand, where you need to hit your hand and he doesnt need to hit his reverses your position, if you know what I mean.

imo those hands mentioned are generally profitable due to their steal equity. Taking the blinds is just fine, if you raise, you'd rather not get a caller.

Plus open limping creates too many situations where they can make postflop +EV decisions, whereas winning the pot in the pf stage eliminates this.

Also, if they're blowing you out pf by reraising too much, it's not that hard to limit your stealing and increasing your push frequency? Well, it's not easy, either, but more profitable then open limping imo.

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I dont really want to go into my personal openlimp strategy, but limping should almost always only be done against big blind players who you can outplay easily postflop, I would not do it without reads.

[BobboFitos]

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I dont really want to go into my personal openlimp strategy,

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but limping should almost always only be done against big blind players who you can outplay easily postflop, I would not do it without reads.

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Fine... This seems like a much more common live play then online, I guess.

[Marlow]

I listened to the complete Cardplayer broadcast during a busride from hell a few weeks ago. Actually, Aaron Canter was killing that table. Really running the show until he blew up. It's interesting to me that ESPN chooses not to show how the guy was pushing everyone around. He just kept coming over the top of everyone, and no-one had any defense. But then he self-destructed in two hands. Weird.

Also, Black seemed to be pretty damned good as well. If they play that table 9 times, I'm sure he makes the top 2 at least three times.

Honestly, I'm done with televised poker, unless it's hand-for-hand like it is on Fox or Live at the Bike. I could care less about the big hands out of context.

[Roman]

probably but I dont really play live much (yet). Predictable players are predictable even online.