Scold my KK fold

Ruhr · #1 06-21-2005, 10:34 PM

I just want to be sure that I was wrong. Please scold me and call me dirty names for folding my KK on the river. To me I think this is an example of "call it for one more bet on the river" and a wake-up call for me to stop being so weak-tight.

No reads on player.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, SB raises, MP2 folds, Hero calls.

River: (9 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 10 BB

milesdyson · #2 06-21-2005, 10:37 PM

this is a case where calling that turn check raise is committing you to call the river bet.

in general, folding the turn is correct.

OrianasDaad · #3 06-21-2005, 10:37 PM

Without a read, I'd showdown to see if they are capable of check-raise bluffing.

I'd almost always call here the turn check-raise, though, and that does commit you to the pot somewhat.

@bsolute_luck · #4 06-21-2005, 10:37 PM

only a small scold i think: if you're going to call the c/r on the turn, then show your hand down, other wise fold the turn.

edit: crap, miles typed faster [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

caggin · #5 06-21-2005, 10:39 PM

If you're gonna fold, fold the turn. If you're behind, you've only got 2 outs in a relatively small pot. With no reads, I think I fold the turn. The average player is unlikely to be bluffing here.

skoal2k4 · #6 06-21-2005, 10:40 PM

I'm pretty sure if you're going to call the turn raise, you should be calling the river bet as well. That's how I would play it.

@bsolute_luck · #7 06-21-2005, 10:41 PM

people: please stop posting the same damn thing as the 4 people before you unless you have something more to add.

Ruhr · #8 06-21-2005, 10:44 PM

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this is a case where calling that turn check raise is committing you to call the river bet.

in general, folding the turn is correct.

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Ah, great! Consensus. So I need to link these actions in my mind. If I'm going to call a turn checkraise like that, then don't wuss out and go to showdown and see what Nemesis has. I knew in retrospect that folding the river was wrong, and you have given me a reason why.

Next time, just folding the turn is better.

This helps a lot. Thanks.

topspin · #9 06-21-2005, 10:45 PM

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people: please stop posting the same damn thing as the 4 people before you unless you have something more to add.

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But it's okay if it's only the last 2 people before you right? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Duerig · #10 06-21-2005, 10:58 PM

Given a read, a fold might be ok. But either fold the turn or call the river.