Set on a Coordinated Flop - Page 3

sfer · #21 03-03-2005, 04:52 PM

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I would attempt to check-raise the flop, with the raiser on your right, to charge those draws as much as you can. I would cap the flop, just like everyone else said.

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Why shut out the draws that are hopeless?

buhler26 · #22 03-03-2005, 04:56 PM

On the flop, they are not hopeless. On the turn, I agree you want those people to come along. On the flop, I want them outta there, or at least paying a lot to stay in.

masonx · #23 03-03-2005, 04:59 PM

yeah i dont think you really need 5-1 preflop against typical 2/4 or 3/6's on party

yeah you missed a BB here on the flop.

johnc · #24 03-03-2005, 05:33 PM

Interesting approach to pps. As your sample size gets grows, I for one would be very interested in the results. I typically wuss out & muck 'em facing a cold or semi-cold call but your approach may shed some light on the implied odds you got by making the call - got me thinking.

mr pink · #25 03-03-2005, 05:41 PM

a pocket pair is still a pair... a preflop raiser is gonna miss the flop a majority of the time, and your hand will probably be best at least on the flop. pps have more value than just flopping sets. so even if the odds aren't there preflop, you can still win some pots here and there when the raiser misses. take 77 for example. if the flop comes like 9 high, you're in pretty good shape against overcards.

pokerstudAA · #26 03-03-2005, 05:41 PM

I agree that the implied odds worked out positively here. 8:1 is the odds of flopping a set. Hero put in 1BB and won 11.5 BB. However, this hand worked out with excessive action - others might not.

After this discussion and the bison "limp 22 UTG" thread - I think I might need to juice my VPIP up a good bit with the lower PP's 22-77. Perhaps call a raise with them sometimes and start limping first in more often.

sfer · #27 03-03-2005, 06:00 PM

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On the flop, they are not hopeless. On the turn, I agree you want those people to come along. On the flop, I want them outta there, or at least paying a lot to stay in.

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I don't think you understood my question. Do you want overcards to fold? Single pair hands? If you checkraise, they will fold while the strong draws--i.e. those that concern you--are NEVER folding. So betting intending to 3-bet is better. You can't fold the gutshots, OESDs, flush draws, two pair hands, but you can make them pay, and you can try to carry along near hopeless hands in the process.

sfer · #28 03-03-2005, 06:05 PM

Only recently have I started folding pairs before the flop. And I'm only folding smaller pairs upfront in tighter and more aggressive games. I'll put it this way, if UTG raises and is coldcalled in 2 spots I'd always call with 22.

KJS · #29 03-03-2005, 06:09 PM

Them maybe putting you on trip 8s is a reason to bet out, IMO. That way a straight may play back and you and someone drawing dead might now think they are.

KJS

bernie · #30 03-03-2005, 07:37 PM

Preflop: If you were on the other side of the button, I'd fold it.

Flop: Cap the damn thing

Turn: checkraise. You have 2 flop aggressors. One of them is bound to bet on the turn. Do not c/r if the bet comes from your right. Call it.

1 thing you're not thinking of in this hand or your 'thoughts': All the different hands you could be representing on this coordinated and draw heavy board.

I think you missed a few bets on this one.

b