$20+2 Getting frisky with 99 in level 2

Freudian · #1 07-13-2005, 01:19 PM

Villain is very loose and raises a lot preflop. Poor postflop. That is the main reason I called his raise preflop. I am still not sure I think it is a good idea. So the main question is if I should let this one go preflop.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (6 handed) converter

Hero (t765)
SB (t765)
BB (t1035)
UTG (t3130)
MP (t1315)
CO (t990)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls t30, 1 fold, Hero calls t30, SB completes, BB raises to t125, MP folds, Hero calls t95, SB folds.

Flop: (t310) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets t150, Hero pushes all-in

Phill S · #2 07-13-2005, 01:34 PM

You say he play poorly post flop, but in what way? Does he call all in with overcards?

You know little or nothing about his hand, and your pushing into a relatively small pot to find out (if he calls, he has you beat, probably.)

I like the theory about calling, but 99 is too off/on for it too be right with these stack sizes. Basicly, if you hit your ahead, if you dont, who knows?

Misapplied theory imo.

Phill

Registrationtoo · #3 07-13-2005, 01:41 PM

i call, and see what he does on the turn.

Freudian · #4 07-13-2005, 01:43 PM

He might call all-ins with overcards or underpair (he is the kind to call an all-in on this flop with 22 and say "I thought you had AK"). He does take stabs at the pot no matter if he hits or not.

Apart from that, a big reason for calling preflop is that he raises preflop so often that my 99 is ahead of his range (25-30% PFR) and I have position.

He did fold to my push so it is anybodys guess as to what he had here. K4s is as likely as AQ.

11t · #5 07-13-2005, 01:44 PM

Only scared players aren't willing to trust their reads. If you think he is raising with air then by all means, call with your 99.

However, him raising from the BB would be indicative of a big hand, and when you see players being very loose preflop they typically have some inclination of position.

Anyways, if I am willing to call his raise and see a flop I'd simply forgo the flop and I'd push preflop to his raise but I am a crazy mofo.

Dan Rutter · #6 07-13-2005, 02:07 PM

When you say someone plays poor post flop, shouldn't the chips stacks be large enough in relation to blinds, that you can bet him in manners he makes mistakes. If you called because he plays poor postflop, the way you bet the hand is not really going to induce mistakes from him postflop. He will call you with a higher pair, and likely fold high cards. If he calls you with higher cards good, but I really do not think that your strategy is outplaying him postflop.

Freudian · #7 07-13-2005, 02:10 PM

Pot is already big enough on the flop that I don't mind taking it down right there. Also, there is a good chance he is calling my all-in with hands I am ahead of.

Besides what if a J falls on the turn and he pushes? Should I call just because I think he is poor postflop?

wiggs73 · #8 07-13-2005, 02:15 PM

I don't like a call here because if he's making a continuation bet with AK, AQ or whatever other 2 overcards, it's only giving him another chance to hit. This comes down to push or fold for me. I do the latter if I think I'm beat and the former if I think I'm ahead.

Jay36489 · #9 07-13-2005, 02:17 PM

With your read I'm playing it the same way.

Dan Rutter · #10 07-13-2005, 04:27 PM

Your argument for getting involved in this hand was that your opponent plays poor post-flop. Your real reasoning though based on how you played the hand was If I have an overpair or set after the flop I am moving all-in. Your read on his post-flop play should have no influence on why you play this hand then. You are not using any post-flop skills of your own in this situation. You are saying I beat overcards, and underpairs, I will go all-in and hope I win. You are not taking advantage of his supposedly weaker post-flop skill. You are hoping you have the best hand, and if you do he will call. You said oh he may call me with 22 here thinking I have AK and he will hope he wins. You are doing the same exact thing, you are hoping he has an underpair, or overcards, and you will win. You are hoping, not beating him with a higher level of post-flop skill. I am not saying moving all-in there is a bad play, but it does not validate your arugment for becoming involved in the hand in the first place.