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Old 04-02-2005, 07:55 PM
Schneids Schneids is offline
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Default The answer should be obvious, but lets just make sure

You play a hand where you open in LP with AQ. A sb calls with AJ.

Flop is low cards he checkraises you you 3 bet he calls.

He check calls a jack turn and again check calls a blank river to win the pot.


A rotation or two later you have a situation where you are in LP and he's in his BB (from past experiencing extending beyond these last 20 minutes at the table). You know he's a loose defender of his BB. The SB is tight. Do you try to steal with A3o?
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Old 04-02-2005, 07:59 PM
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Default Re: The answer should be obvious, but lets just make sure

from the co no, from the button yes
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Old 04-02-2005, 08:22 PM
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Default Re: The answer should be obvious, but lets just make sure

if the button is tight too, why not? althought i am not sure how many are at table.
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Old 04-02-2005, 08:31 PM
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Default Re: The answer should be obvious, but lets just make sure

If you limp the SB might come along. If you raise, you most likely get it HU against a weaker hand, with position.
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Old 04-02-2005, 08:35 PM
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if the button is tight too, why not? althought i am not sure how many are at table.

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Lets say the button is tight and will need to wake up with a premium hand to 3 bet you.
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Old 04-02-2005, 08:53 PM
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Default Re: The answer should be obvious, but lets just make sure

that being the case, i do it, the villain you describe is passive on turn/river. you can capitalize on that.
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Old 04-02-2005, 09:14 PM
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Default Re: The answer should be obvious, but lets just make sure

I don't.

I would rather have something like JQ than A3o here, because I am guessing I am not going to showdown against a hand an unimproved A3 beats (so JQ is just as good those times that villain will fold the flop or turn). If an ace comes, I will probably only get action from a better hand. If I hit my 3, same thing. With JQ at least you have two cards to hit and have the chance of getting action when your hand is good.

A3o just seems like a chip spewing hand here.
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Old 04-02-2005, 09:18 PM
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Default Re: The answer should be obvious, but lets just make sure

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I don't.

I would rather have something like JQ than A3o here, because I am guessing I am not going to showdown against a hand an unimproved A3 beats (so JQ is just as good those times that villain will fold the flop or turn). If an ace comes, I will probably only get action from a better hand. If I hit my 3, same thing. With JQ at least you have two cards to hit and have the chance of getting action when your hand is good.

A3o just seems like a chip spewing hand here.

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I realy like this logic here. I must meditate over this
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Old 04-02-2005, 09:29 PM
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Default Re: The answer should be obvious, but lets just make sure

I agree I'd rather have QJ here but the question is about A3 though I take it from your post you think A3 is a fold.
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Old 04-02-2005, 09:53 PM
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Default Re: The answer should be obvious, but lets just make sure

Even with a tightwad button I think throwing him in the mix makes this too much for a CO blind steal. A loose BB isn't that big of a deal. It's not like you're making billions on this play, but you're usually going to the flop with position and the best hand. Sure I'd rather have him fold but we're just winning less when he doesn't. Why did we bet the river in the AQ hand?

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