I suck on the button

Postiga · #1 11-22-2005, 11:56 AM

I make far less money on the button than I do from the CO and considerably less than I do from the other positions. I only have a small sample size on my database, but I had similar stats on my old database.

I'm pretty solid and aggressive on the button. I raise quite a lot. My preflop stats for 2,122 hands of 3/6 6max are 407 hands played from the button, VP$IP is 31.20, and PFR is 24.32.

I generally raise with high cards like Q8 up, K8 up, and any ace, depending on how people have limped. I don't often raise with suited connectors, unless I'm opening the pot.

I bet nearly all flops if it's checked to me, and I'll bet a lot of turns even if I've missed. This is a habit picked up from playing in games where people would routinely call flops with absolutely nothing. I think that this excess bluffing might be my biggest problem.

I play pretty much exactly the same way postflop when I raise from the CO as when I raise from the button, so I assume that people are just giving my button raises less respect than my cutoff raises.

An interesting stat from pokertracker is that I play only slightly less hands from the CO, but my button Went to SD % is half of my CO %. Also, my button Won $ at SD % is considerably lower. It's only 34.62%. Does this mean I'm not folding enough on the button?

I'm not sure what can be determined from my stats, but my guess is that I get too stubborn post-flop after raising pre-flop on the button.

#2 11-22-2005, 12:01 PM

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Postiga · #3 11-22-2005, 12:10 PM

Yeah, but I had similar stats on my old database, which contained about 20,000 hands. Still not a huge sample, but I really believe I have a problem in the area.

krishanleong · #4 11-22-2005, 12:10 PM

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#5 11-22-2005, 12:10 PM

Post individual problem hands, then, and call down on the button more often.

Postiga · #6 11-22-2005, 12:19 PM

How about this. Could I have checked the turn?

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, CO raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls, 2 folds, CO calls.

Flop: (11 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, CO checks, Hero bets, SB calls, CO folds.

Turn: (6.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Spicymoose · #7 11-22-2005, 12:21 PM

Stop sucking on the button. Find a pacifier if you need one.

Wynton · #8 11-22-2005, 12:24 PM

Without any read, I think I fold this pf.

I'm not sure about the turn, because your hh seems messed up. It says there are 3 players on the turn, but I only see one opponent. What happened to utg?

Spicymoose · #9 11-22-2005, 12:27 PM

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Without any read, I think I fold this pf.

I'm not sure about the turn, because your hh seems messed up. It says there are 3 players on the turn, but I only see one opponent. What happened to utg?

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Fold preflop? No way! I think UTG might be all in, in which case a turn check is a must.

Postiga · #10 11-22-2005, 02:06 PM

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Without any read, I think I fold this pf.

I'm not sure about the turn, because your hh seems messed up. It says there are 3 players on the turn, but I only see one opponent. What happened to utg?

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There was actually only 2 players on the turn. UTG folded preflop, and then the CO folded on the flop. The turn was played between me and the SB.

I don't like folding KQ preflop against all but the tightest raisers, and I think I have to raise if I'm not going to fold.

I didn't have a read on the SB, but I felt that by betting the turn I might drive out A-high hands. If I checked I would have been conceding the pot, barring an Q or K on the river. I would never check this turn. Is that -EV?