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Old 12-03-2005, 10:24 PM
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Default QQ, JJ checkup

I hate myself when I call down in situations like these were Im almost sure Im beat. Should I fold? Assume a typical player or explain what difference a read would make.
[Hand 1]
Cryptologic 0.50/1.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(8 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (7.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB.

So the opponents have good hands too... [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
[Hand 2]
Cryptologic 0.50/1.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(9 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, MP1 calls.

Flop: (9.00 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, CO calls, SB calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, SB calls.

River: (13.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO folds, SB calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB.
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Old 12-03-2005, 11:07 PM
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Default Re: QQ, JJ checkup

I fold the turn in Hand 1.
I might 3bet and fold to a cap on the flop. Or bet/fold the turn if just called.

Hand 2. I'm not capping the flop.
I'm checking the turn and folding if it's two back to me.

After capping the flop -b/f, b/f- you played it fine.
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Old 12-03-2005, 11:33 PM
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im pretty sure you have the odds to chase your 6 outs on the turn in hand 1... that is assuming you are even behind.

river is much closer, im not sure you have enough for a call there, that said in game i play it the same as you.

hand 2 i coldcall the flop, and let the turn check through. if the water is calm i bet the river.
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Old 12-03-2005, 11:43 PM
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Default Re: QQ, JJ checkup

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I might 3bet and fold to a cap on the flop.

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I don't like this. The villain could easily be scared of trips (we openraised in MP3; we could have A9s, T9s etc) and call us down with the best hand.

I also don't know why you're folding on the turn and not the flop.
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Old 12-04-2005, 12:07 AM
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I might 3bet and fold to a cap on the flop.

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I don't like this. The villain could easily be scared of trips (we openraised in MP3; we could have A9s, T9s etc) and call us down with the best hand.

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This is reads come in. I said I might. Especially if villian is capable of laying down a K to a turn bet.

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I also don't know why you're folding on the turn and not the flop.

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Because I think there is a non-zero chance that the turn gets checked through. But folding the flop might be the best play.
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