Some old Stud8 Tourney hands

Wu36 · #1 02-01-2005, 06:18 PM

I decided to look through some old hand histories, but I didn't have any on file, so all I could salvage were the stud8 MTTs I played on stars. I'll post some questionable hands for debate and criticism, starting with:

apparently bison's converter doesnt work with stud8,
Apologies if the half narrative looks terrible.

Until otherwise noted hands are from a 50+5 MTT

8 Handed Limits 50/100
#1 (31)
Relevant stack sizes
Seat 1: st.patrick (1277 in chips)
Seat 3: ackbleh (2523 in chips)
Seat 6: WuBJJ (1291 in chips)
Seat 7: roadruner01 (666 in chips)

Dealt to WuBJJ [3s Ad 3c]
4,4,5,6,2 dead.
I used to like these types of hands far too much(paired wheel card/ace, med. pair/str flush kicker)

2 brings in low, 4 and a 6 limp, I limp to close the betting.
4th street:
Dealt to st.patrick [6s] [Ks]
Dealt to ackbleh [4c] [Ts]
Dealt to WuBJJ [3s Ad 3c] [As]
Dealt to roadruner01 [2s] [5d]
Lucky me, I bet out. 25 folds, 6K calls and 4T raises me. I reraise, call, cap, call, call.

*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to st.patrick [6s Ks] [3d]
Dealt to ackbleh [4c Ts] [5s]
Dealt to WuBJJ [3s Ad 3c As] [7c]

it goes check,check, bet. I call 6k3 folds.
Don't remember the hand at all, was slowing down a decent play here?

*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to ackbleh [4c Ts 5s] [Ah]
Dealt to WuBJJ [3s Ad 3c As 7c] [8s]
checked to me, which seems strange. Bet, call.

*** RIVER ***
Dealt to WuBJJ [3s Ad 3c As 7c 8s] [2c]
ackbleh: checks
WuBJJ: bets 100
ackbleh: calls 100

This hand just confused me looking back on it... Any read on villain here?

#2
Blinds at 75/150
Seat 6: WuBJJ (1179 in chips)

Dealt to WuBJJ [Qs Qc 5c]
couple low cards and a king out, I fold to the full bring in. Really not sure if I call this now. In a ring game its a fairly easy muck for me, but my stack is getting low.
The K was rolled up, he called and took down the pot on 4th.

#3 (50) Blinds 75/150
Seat 3: ackbleh (929 in chips)
Seat 6: WuBJJ (1504 in chips)
4,4,6 out. nothing higher than my Kings
Dealt to WuBJJ [Kh Kc 8h]
4 brings in low, 6 calls, villain raises w/ a 4, I call.
Bring in folds, 6 calls.

*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to ms tequila [6c] [Jc]
Dealt to ackbleh [4s] [3h]
Dealt to WuBJJ [Kh Kc 8h] [7s]
6 checks, 4 bets, both call.

*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to ms tequila [6c Jc] [Td]
Dealt to ackbleh [4s 3h] [Jh]
Dealt to WuBJJ [Kh Kc 8h 7s] [8s]

I bet out, 6 folds, 4 raises me. I reraise, he caps.

Should I be worried about 2345 or 3456 here? I have 2 hearts so the runner runner flush draw doesn't seem that dangerous.
Villain has 164 chips after the cap and is pot committed.

*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to ackbleh [4s 3h Jh] [2c]
Dealt to WuBJJ [Kh Kc 8h 7s 8s] [6d]

All the money goes in. River is a blank.
WuBJJ collected 2108 from pot.

This took more time than I thought. Probably post more some more interesting ones later.

Wu36 · #2 02-01-2005, 11:25 PM

Results in white

hand 1

*** SHOW DOWN ***
WuBJJ: shows [3s Ad 3c As 7c 8s 2c] (HI: two pair, Aces and Threes; LO:
8,7,3,2,A)
ackbleh: mucks hand
WuBJJ collected 670 from pot
WuBJJ collected 670 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1340 | Rake 0 
hand 3
 *** SHOW DOWN ***
ackbleh: shows [2s 7c 4s 3h Jh 2c 7d] (HI: two pair, Sevens and Deuces)
WuBJJ: shows [Kh Kc 8h 7s 8s 6d 4d] (HI: two pair, Kings and Eights)
WuBJJ collected 2108 from pot
No low hand qualified

Wu36 · #3 02-02-2005, 12:08 AM

Some more terrible hands from the same tourney:
Limit - Level IV (75/150) - 2004/10/05 - 22:52:13 (ET)

Seat 6: WuBJJ (1639 in chips)

Seat 8: km1943 (2449 in chips)

Dealt to WuBJJ [6c 3h 4c]

Dealt to km1943 [2d]
2,5,7,4 and 2 clubs dead

2 brings in low, I raise, call.

*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to WuBJJ [6c 3h 4c] [3c]
Dealt to km1943 [2d] [4s]

I bet, he calls.

*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to WuBJJ [6c 3h 4c 3c] [Td]
Dealt to km1943 [2d 4s] [7d]
I check/call (starts to get bad around here)

*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to WuBJJ [6c 3h 4c 3c Td] [Qs]
Dealt to km1943 [2d 4s 7d] [8c]

check/call
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to WuBJJ [6c 3h 4c 3c Td Qs] [2c]

Check and possibly the worst call ever
*** SHOW DOWN ***

km1943: shows [8s Ah 2d 4s 7d 8c 8d] (HI: three of a kind, Eights; LO:
8,7,4,2,A)
WuBJJ: mucks hand

Limit - Level IV (75/150) - 2004/10/05 - 22:53:34 (ET)
Table '2877073 1'
Seat 1: st.patrick (1143 in chips)
Seat 3: ackbleh (2129 in chips)
Seat 6: WuBJJ (1009 in chips)

Dealt to st.patrick [Ah]
Dealt to ms tequila [Ad]
Dealt to ackbleh [4d]
Dealt to Mungy [3s]
Dealt to WuBJJ [8d Ac 4c]
Dealt to roadruner01 [5s]
Dealt to km1943 [6h]

3 Brings in low, I call, Ace raises, 4 3-bets, I call!?, it gets capped, 3 to 4th street.

*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to st.patrick [Ah] [Jh]
Dealt to ackbleh [4d] [Kd]
Dealt to WuBJJ [8d Ac 4c] [5c]
AJ bets, 4K calls, I raise, AJ reraises, K4 folds, I call.

*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to st.patrick [Ah Jh] [7d]
Dealt to WuBJJ [8d Ac 4c 5c] [8h]

High bets, I call.

*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to st.patrick [Ah Jh 7d] [6d]
Dealt to WuBJJ [8d Ac 4c 5c 8h] [Jc]

Bet/Call

*** RIVER ***
Dealt to WuBJJ [8d Ac 4c 5c 8h Jc] [6c]

Bet/I push.
*** SHOW DOWN ***
WuBJJ: shows [8d Ac 4c 5c 8h Jc 6c] (HI: a flush, Ace high; LO:
8,6,5,4,A)
st.patrick: shows [2s 4s Ah Jh 7d 6d 6s] (HI: a pair of Sixes; LO:
7,6,4,2,A)
WuBJJ collected 1209 from pot
st.patrick collected 1209 from pot

Limit - Level XII (1500/3000) - 2004/10/06 - 01:03:22 (ET)
Seat 1: Ice Eyez (24021 in chips)
Seat 2: kipper3880 (6937 in chips)
Seat 4: WuBJJ (5767 in chips)
Seat 6: sdnav (53054 in chips)
Seat 8: starray (18221 in chips)

*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to WuBJJ [Kh 4h Kc]

Low brings in, 2 other lows limp, I fold?? Looking back, it seems like a pretty clear raise. There are 3 lows in the hand already but I wont see many better hands at this point(I made my stand with AKh8).

Andy B · #4 02-02-2005, 07:34 PM

First hand: third street is fine. I bet fourth street as well. On fifth, check and fold. Yuck. On sixth, check and fold. On the river, the pot is big enough that you may as well see if you can get your money back, but yuck.

Second hand: I might limp in with this dog in a really soft cash game. On a tough table or in a tournament, it's a definite muck the first time around. Limping wasn't terrible, but calling when it's raised and re-raised back to you was awful.

Fourth street came down quite nicely, didn't it? Why not cap it? Beyond that, I think you can only call until the river, at which time you should definitely raise. Glad it worked out, but you shouldn't have been in there in the first place.

Third hand: With less than two big bets, you're going to have to make a move sooner or later, and this looks like a good hand to do it with as long as there aren't any Aces out. In a cash game, I might limp in late and see what happens, and that might not be a terrible play here. I'd probably raise, though.

Wu36 · #5 02-02-2005, 07:59 PM

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First hand: third street is fine. I bet fourth street as well. On fifth, check and fold. Yuck. On sixth, check and fold. On the river, the pot is big enough that you may as well see if you can get your money back, but yuck.

Second hand: I might limp in with this dog in a really soft cash game. On a tough table or in a tournament, it's a definite muck the first time around. Limping wasn't terrible, but calling when it's raised and re-raised back to you was awful.

Fourth street came down quite nicely, didn't it? Why not cap it? Beyond that, I think you can only call until the river, at which time you should definitely raise. Glad it worked out, but you shouldn't have been in there in the first place.

Third hand: With less than two big bets, you're going to have to make a move sooner or later, and this looks like a good hand to do it with as long as there aren't any Aces out. In a cash game, I might limp in late and see what happens, and that might not be a terrible play here. I'd probably raise, though.

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1: I don't like the call on the river at all, considering i can't beat any 4,7 or 8 in the hole or any PP. Inexcusably bad play on my part.

2: My sentiments exactly, terrible call. I deserved to be scooped here. Until I read Ray Zee's book, I wouldn't muck and 8 with an ace in it.

3: I have no knowledge of stud8 tournament theory (other than the random posts here saying big pairs go up in value late), but this seems almost as bad as the 2nd hand. Assuming I have to bring in 1/5 of the time, my stack will be too small to double up effectively next time I get a hand.

Thanks again for the insight.

Andy B · #6 02-02-2005, 02:44 PM

On these hands, you say "blinds" when you mean "limits," yes? Silly hold'em players. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

First hand: if you're going to check fifth street, why cap fourth? Either you have the best hand or you don't. I'd be inclined to lead on fifth. Now if your opponent is a good player, about the only thing he can really have is rolled-up Fours, but with one out, how likely is that, and how likely is it that you're up against a good player anyway? Just bet.

Hand 2: don't know what the action was, whether the King called in front of you or what. Your Queens are a good hand to have in an all-in situation, unless the other guy has a bigger pair or perhaps rolled-up trips.

Hand 3: I would raise third street, no question. Just calling fourth is probably prudent. Bet fifth. When he raises, I probably slow down then. I don't think he's just playing his "strong board." I'd be a little worried about a set. Glad it worked out for you, though.

Wu36 · #7 02-02-2005, 07:49 PM

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On these hands, you say "blinds" when you mean "limits," yes? Silly hold'em players. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

First hand: if you're going to check fifth street, why cap fourth? Either you have the best hand or you don't. I'd be inclined to lead on fifth. Now if your opponent is a good player, about the only thing he can really have is rolled-up Fours, but with one out, how likely is that, and how likely is it that you're up against a good player anyway? Just bet.

Hand 2: don't know what the action was, whether the King called in front of you or what. Your Queens are a good hand to have in an all-in situation, unless the other guy has a bigger pair or perhaps rolled-up trips.

Hand 3: I would raise third street, no question. Just calling fourth is probably prudent. Bet fifth. When he raises, I probably slow down then. I don't think he's just playing his "strong board." I'd be a little worried about a set. Glad it worked out for you, though.

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Thanks for the reply Andy,

The blinds thing is just a result of me reading SSHE 3 or 4 times in the last couple of weeks, I usually play only stud8.

1: Leading on 5th definitely seems better, I need to know if he has trips(looking through the history, he seems pretty maniacal).

2: The K hadn't acted yet.

3: I really played big pairs weak at this time(probably still do). Think I could've 3-bet 5th after seeing villain show down a bunch of strange hands?

Andy B · #8 02-02-2005, 08:04 PM

On the third hand, if your opponent is a nut-job, you might push it a little harder, but I lean towards slowing down. If he's on a draw and it's sufficiently monstrous, he's actually a small money favorite. If he has a set, you're in trouble.