barfing @ 2k PL

[creedofhubris]

Those stacks are too big to stick it in there on the flop in an unraised pot. You'd be putting in the 4th bet; even real bad players know that means something huge. If you manage to get it allin on the flop you're either way behind or flipping a coin.

[RikaKazak]

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What range of hands would you put on pandora..

AA, KK QQ, JJ, 7h8h, 66, 55

think of any others that are reasonable?

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lol, at 5/10, I would say his hand range is MUCH WIDER than that, any str8 draw, or any flush draw are possible.

I call flop and see a turn. A safe turn I probably call then if he pushes on river fold, or hopefully check down.

[Yeti]

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What range of hands would you put on pandora..

AA, KK QQ, JJ, 7h8h, 66, 55

think of any others that are reasonable?

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lol, at 5/10, I would say his hand range is MUCH WIDER than that, any str8 draw, or any flush draw are possible.

I call flop and see a turn. A safe turn I probably call then if he pushes on river fold, or hopefully check down.

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10/20 is many, many, many times more aggressive than the 1k game. 5/10 is pretty tight and ABC. If you got similar action to this at the 1k you are crushed.

Your line is also pretty appalling.

[riverboatking]

ok so everyone seems really concerned with what villian has, but no one is asking the equally important question:
what do you think villian puts you on?
the answer to this question will make your situation much more clearly defined.

so, how have you been playing, what is your table image...what does your raise here signify to the other players.

obviously if you have been playing fast then it is almost impossible to fold...however if you've been playing fairly straightfoward its a much easier fold.

[xorbie]

My main concern is that we might not be racing at all, and that villain can put in this 3rd raise with a holding like Ax[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. I still think a fold is probably right.

[ahnuld]

Id fold just becuase there are so many draws that this looks like a push or fold situation and pushing this deep with bottom two sucks.

[etizzle]

Since this guy had sat down I believe I had been playing pretty straightforwardly. I had been caught on a few bluffs earlier in the day but I dont think he was at the table (maybe he was though and I just didnt notice for some reason).

[Yeti]

I hate folding, and I would happily toss this.

[flawless_victory]

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I hate folding, and I would happily toss this.

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even yeti would fold, this is an easy effing fold.

This looks like a spot where if you don't fold you will be in a hardcore reverse implied odds situation, it looks like a fold to me.

Even if he had air 75% of the time and a set 25% of the time for example, a fold can still be correct (if he bluffs with the right frequencies)

And I think the fact that he might have a draw makes things worse for you