reraising with AJ

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And if I'm wrong, please correct me. What is our edge against 4 limpers?

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25.5% equity against four players playing
88-66,ATs-A4s,KJs-K8s,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,AJo-A9o,KTo+,QTo+,JTo
Thats 20% minus AA-99, AKs-AJs, AKo-AQo.
They are probably looser then that but it doesnt affect the equity to any bigger extent.

Still thats a decent edge. And even so postflop we will know where we are standing so we will always get the most of it. Against the normal 1/2 players i say its an easy raise.

OOP reduces edge..

True, but something says me these guys arent the hottest tags on the planet so we are probably going to get paid when we hit and maybe get a free card when we miss.

And nevertheless its still a decent edge.

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I agree -- I'd bet the flop, then if CO raises and button reraises, you can drop the hand.

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I am not able to fold top pair good kicker on a two-flush flop when it's two back to me. I don't know if this is a leak. I don't think it is. Consider the CO will raise with any ace and often with other pairs, and the button will 3-bet a lot of aces and many flush draws, as well as stuff that owns you like two pair and sets.

I am in total agreement about betting this flop, though. B/c there wasn't a PFR you can't be sure anyone will bet in the first place. I donk this turn unless it's capped on the flop, that was if it's two back to me on the turn I can safely fold.

Men i call preflop as it is impossible for me to eliminate people by raising and then i prefer just call you make costly weak draws to remain in the hand and make Ax that are almost dead stay in the hand..thats all least what i think...
What i cant understand very well is something everybody seems to be clear: beting the flop with so many people in the hand Is it only to gain information??

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<font color="red">Men i call preflop as it is impossible for me to eliminate people by raising</font> and then i prefer just call you make costly weak draws to remain in the hand and make Ax that are almost dead stay in the hand..thats all least what i think...
What i cant understand very well is something everybody seems to be clear: <font color="blue">beting the flop with so many people in the hand Is it only to gain information??</font>

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<font color="red">That's not why we usually raise pf in loose games. We do it for value. Everytime you get called by weak hands, you make money.</font>

<font color="blue">No, you bet the flop because you are VERY likely to have the best hand and VERY likely to get called by a worse hand. You are out of position, so you should tend to bet so that you don't give out a free card.</font>