fairly simple 20-40 hand

[Victor]

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WEll Victor, as I said it depends upon how he reacts to a 3 bet. Many players with these stats will dump it but will value bet the river if you just call. Note: calling the turn raise and betting the river is another viable option.

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i agree. thats what i did. but i was all the way into calldown mode on the turn then i thought about it on the river and i was like, [censored] this dude, hes fos. so, yea i was kinda wondering if its better to 3bet or stopngo.

joshes response is pretty good as to why its better to 3bet tho bc he may incorrectly fold 6 outs that he wont pay off on the river.

[TomBrooks]

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gimme a line.

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________fold_________


Edit: I responded before reading the thread. I see I am in the minority opinion. Nothing I read made me change my mind yet, but I will take it all under advisement.

[partygirluk]

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gimme a line.

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________fold_________


Edit: I responded before reading the thread. I see I am in the minority opinion. Nothing I read made me change my mind yet, but I will take it all under advisement.

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Folding is horrendous here. It is akin to lighting money on fire. What do you put him on? Every hand that beats us is most likely played differently. You should be concetned with extracting the most money here.

[DMBFan23]

disclaimer: I'm not advocating folding.

Why can't he have a T? I see people call the flop and raise the turn a lot with top pair, especially when he makes trips. am I missing something because hero 3-bet?

[Victor]

i didnt 3bet.

[jquattro]

Sorry for asking a potentially stupid question, but do we easily fold to a turn cap?

[StellarWind]

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very unlikely he just calls the flop with a T.

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Because? I sometimes call this flop with a ten intending to raise the turn.

More importantly, Villain did call the flop and he has to have something. There is no obvious reason why KT is raising the flop while 88 is raising the turn instead. The relative probabilities of a ten or pocket pair don't seem to have changed much from preflop:

AT: 8
KT: 8
QTs: 2
JTs: 2

88-66: 18

That's 20-18 in favor of the ten. Obviously you can adjust his starting standards a little but it should always come out about 50-50. We can also consider:

Flush draw AJ/KQ/KJ/QJ: 4

Clearly these aren't worth face value. Maybe I'll call them 2 and make it an exact 20-20 tie.

I think most posters are too optimistic. Your pot equity looks about 50% here. Further aggression is good if you can comfortably fold to another raise. Personally that idea doesn't thrill me. Further aggression is bad if he finds the fold with an underpair. That sounds like some posters I know with stats similar to Villain's.

I call this down but it's a close choice. You could reconsider after you see the river. Bet-folding could work if you caught something to represent, like an ace.

[d10]

I'd 3-bet and call down a turn cap.

[mungpo]

As much as I want to 3-bet this turn. I would just call down against this opponent.

[d10]

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very unlikely he just calls the flop with a T.

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Because? I sometimes call this flop with a ten intending to raise the turn.

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What's your line when the turn brings another overcard?

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More importantly, Villain did call the flop and he has to have something. There is no obvious reason why KT is raising the flop while 88 is raising the turn instead.

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I think there is. 88 may be planning on calling down, or raising a safe turn. Another T is about the safest card 88 could see. However I'm always raising a T on the flop here.