Badly misplayed set - This needs to be a stop n go right?

sethypooh21 · #1 06-16-2005, 07:05 AM

If not a 3 bet flop and lead...A is going to lock up J's and less aggro flush draws, and if someone has aces up, I'll get raised and get to 3-bet right?

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, Button raises, SB calls, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.....

Trix · #2 06-16-2005, 07:06 AM

just 3bet the flop, sometimes he checks through a draw no matter what card will come.
I´d sng the A getting there.

Stoli7 · #3 06-16-2005, 07:10 AM

fold preflop.
if I call, three bet flop.

spydog · #4 06-16-2005, 07:10 AM

I cringed at your lack of flop 3-bet. I think you always need to fastplay a set on a drawy board OOP, especially in a multiway pot.

Seeing that you didn't 3-bet the flop, you must lead this turn and hope it gets raised. No way do I check here.

sethypooh21 · #5 06-16-2005, 07:19 AM

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I cringed at your lack of flop 3-bet. I think you always need to fastplay a set on a drawy board OOP, especially in a multiway pot.

Seeing that you didn't 3-bet the flop, you must lead this turn and hope it gets raised. No way do I check here.

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I agree with everything you said, please find a belt with a large buckle to whip me with...

DMBFan23 · #6 06-16-2005, 09:36 AM

do people fold this preflop? I am unsure but I guess it looks like it could be a fold

I 3-bet the flop

spydog · #7 06-16-2005, 09:37 AM

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do people fold this preflop? I am unsure but I guess it looks like it could be a fold

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I usually overlimp with small PP unless I have 2 or more aggressive players behind me.

droolie · #8 06-16-2005, 11:09 AM

bumpingthatannoyingthreadoffthefrontpage....

naphand · #9 06-16-2005, 11:15 AM

I think you want to have aggressive players, or your set is not getting enough implied odds to play for it.

spydog · #10 06-16-2005, 11:30 AM

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I think you want to have aggressive players, or your set is not getting enough implied odds to play for it.

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I'm not sure if my thinking is flawed, but when faced with a small pair in the CO/MP after a limper, I want the following situations:

1) A limpfest, where 4-5 people see the flop. I'm pretty sure I can make up the implied odds in this situation, so a passive bunch of fish is OK here.

2) A 4-5 person flop where an aggressive player has raised PF.

Those 2 situations are fairly likely at a loose-passive table or a table that's loose with 1 aggressive player.

What I don't want is:

1) A raised pot versus 2 opponents.

I think this is more likely versus 2 or more aggressive opponents. Even then, I think I can win enough with pair value in a 3-way pot that I can break even with my smallish PP.