A bold play

xenthebrain · #1 10-17-2005, 11:57 AM

SB just sat down 2 hands ago.
CO used the auto-raise button from the flop on. He had stats like 10/10/1.2 and I have seen him 3betting preflop one and then folding the turn when after an ace had flopped.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, CO raises, Button calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, CO raises, Button folds, SB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: (10 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises ???

What do you think of raising here? (of course, comments on the other streets are apreciated aswell)

SB just sat down 2 hands ago.
CO used auto-raise button from the flop on. He had stats like 10/10 and I have seen him 3betting preflop one and then folding the turn when after an ace had flopped.

aargh57 · #2 10-17-2005, 12:06 PM

I kind of like donk betting the turn. If you've got the best hand you don't want to give CO a free one. I don't really like the river raise. What's SB betting into an aggressive player with? Probably not A6 or something. More likely a 2 or 66. Maybe a raise is good if you think that it will force CO to fold but I probably don't got the guts to do that. Maybe you just made a better play here than I would've.

gharp · #3 10-17-2005, 12:17 PM

Given your read on CO, you might be able to make him fold a better hand here. This looks sort of like a when-you-do-not-want-overcalls situation. SB's bet out of the blue is a little disturbing, but it's possible that he coul djust have a 9 or 88 or something else that he didn't want to see get checked through.

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This is always unnerving too.

I dunno -- I definitely don't hate this raise, but I'm not sure it's the right play in this situation...

#4 10-17-2005, 12:19 PM

I don't see CO folding a better hand here and he's twice as likely not to have a hand you fear anyway.

I think the raise just opens you up to 3 bets from both villians.

Hero's hand is good or it isn't. I CALL.

I'm so weak.

TheKentock · #5 10-17-2005, 01:36 PM

What do you do when CO raises and SB calls? Are you going to overcall that as well? Even if that narrows CO's hands down to overpairs? I don't think it's worth it here. And a call/fold seems ridiculous for some reason.

Actually, general question, has anyone ever done that? Called one bet and folded to one raise? Why?

MrWookie47 · #6 10-17-2005, 12:19 PM

If he's been using the auto-raise button, I'd be more likely to fold this river than to raise it.

xenthebrain · #7 10-17-2005, 12:26 PM

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If he's been using the auto-raise button, I'd be more likely to fold this river than to raise it.

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That's a good point. I didn't really think about it that he could just check it again on the river.

On the turn it might have been just the auto-bet button (not bet/raise any).
Anyhow, the use of autobuttonsis more uncommon on the river than on earlier streets.
So ignore this fact for once (e.g. assume it was a livegame and he was quickly moving his chips in to raise on the flop and river), what would you think than?

PJM1206 · #8 10-17-2005, 02:01 PM

what did you do to that cat man?

SoftcoreRevolt · #9 10-17-2005, 02:49 PM

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If he's been using the auto-raise button, I'd be more likely to fold this river than to raise it.

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I wouldn't be. Many donks will click Bet/Raise intending to just bet (since they are stoopid.) and then see villain bet right in front of them, go "crap" as the autoraise happens, see villain call, and then think "hmm, maybe he was bluffing."

I put zero stock in the auto raise.

milesdyson · #10 10-17-2005, 12:38 PM

i would have check raised the flop. if i played it like you i'd fold the river. he's autobetting/raising, and really that card is the blankest ever. plus, i don't even like how we stand against SB here anyway.