Flopping a set and the board gets ugly

jskills · #1 08-25-2005, 01:40 AM

Table is fairly loosey goosey with many people seeing flops. BB how shown himself to be 25/10/2 over about 50 hands.

I'm wondering what people think of my turn donk. My plan was to check raise the turn, but I hated the turn card and felt like I needed to ensure it did not get checked around out of fear someone had a straight.

Thoughts?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, CO raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, MP3 checks, CO bets, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (9 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero bets, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 folds, CO calls.

River: (13 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds, UTG+2 folds, CO calls.

Final Pot: 15 BB

Rezman5 · #2 08-25-2005, 02:11 AM

I think if you are going to check this flop with this many people you should be doing so with the intention of check raising to thin the field. I like the rest though.

j0n_blayze · #3 08-25-2005, 02:12 AM

raise the flop.

Nick C · #4 08-25-2005, 03:58 AM

I would lead the flop, figuring I couldn't protect my hand very well anyway and I might as well start trying to build a big pot.

Nick C · #5 08-25-2005, 04:08 AM

On the turn, there are 46 unknown cards. There are also 10 cards (other than yours) that people found a reason to call with on the flop, and you're drawing if any of those 10 cards are one of the eight available 9's or 4's.

I actually think I might just check-call here. You may not get raised by a 4, but I'm worried a 9 is out there somewhere, and I think I'd like to see the river as cheaply as possible.

I'll admit, though, that it doesn't seem like a 9 was out there this time (or a 4, either).

shant · #6 08-25-2005, 04:10 AM

Dude, bet that flop, then a bunch of the guys in the middle call, and hopefully CO raises, and then we 3-bet and then $$$$$$$$$$$$.

Entity · #7 08-25-2005, 04:13 AM

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Dude, bet that flop, then a bunch of the guys in the middle call, and hopefully CO raises, and then we 3-bet and then $$$$$$$$$$$$.

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pokergrader · #8 08-25-2005, 06:15 AM

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Dude, bet that flop, then a bunch of the guys in the middle call, and hopefully CO raises, and then we 3-bet and then $$$$$$$$$$$$.

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Exactly. We know everybody here is going to have some sort of draw, so make them pay for it. If you boat, then you are going to take down a huge multi-way pot. If you don't boat up, you can minimize losses by check/calling if the board gets this scary.

Overall this is one of the biggest +EV situations you can have in low-limit poker; you have an equity edge against many opponents who are locked in with any sort of draw, so you better push it as hard and as fast as you can when you have the chance (ie, this flop).

uw_madtown · #9 08-25-2005, 06:37 AM

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Dude, bet that flop, then a bunch of the guys in the middle call, and hopefully CO raises, and then we 3-bet and then $$$$$$$$$$$$.

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thejameser · #10 08-25-2005, 08:18 AM

it has already been said, but you need to play the flop much faster in this situation.