Isolation or not?

[Supern]

Limit Holdem, 10 player-table, No reads other than the limper.

Raises has been shown respect.
One loose aggresive guy (VPIP 30%, PFR 5%, AF 2) limped in from EP.
You are in MP2.
What do you do with the following hands:
99
88
66
ATs
AJ
AT
KQs
KJs
KQ

[Supern]

My take on this (r-aise, c-all, f-old):
99 - r
88 - c
66 - f
ATs - c
AJ - r
AT - f
KQs - r
KJs - c
KQ - c

[Aaron_]

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AJ - r
AT - f


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AJ - r
AT - f


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OP: I addition to the confusion showed by Aaron_ on those two particular hands, there are several other wrong plays (e.g. 66 - f and ATs - c). I think you are waorrying too much about an EP limper and should be concerned more about an EP raiser. With all of that being said - I think you are over-analyzing pre-flop play here too much. SSHE says this perfectly on p.77. Concentrate on improving your post-flop play - I think this is more critical to your success.

[SoftcoreRevolt]

I'm raising everything but 66 and AT... And 30/5 isn't very loose or aggressive preflop, so why are we even concerned with isolating him? He's just another fish.

[Supern]

If you read the post you can see he's passive preflop and aggresive postflop.
(VPIP 30%, PFR 5%, AF 2)

And because he's passive preflop he's not raising with hands like AQ, AJ in EP probably. Hands that are dominating some of the hands I call or fold.

A guy who play 30% of his hands is loose.
Not very loose, but loose. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Supern]

AJ - r, AT - f

AT in middle position is not a good hand.
I think ATo is a marginal hand at a ten player game.
I usually only play it against a really loose player or first in from late position for a raise.

AJ is a bit better.

And yes I play tight.
I want an edge when I play. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[Supern]

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With all of that being said - I think you are over-analyzing pre-flop play here too much.

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Preflop play is VERY important.
And this question was about preflop play not postflop. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
Just want some input on hands for isolation preflop.

Agree that a raise with ATs is a good play as well.
And maybe even better than a call.

66 is a clear fold in my opinion with only one limper and
players to act behind. If someone raises it was a very bad limp.

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Preflop play is VERY important.
And this question was about preflop play not postflop.

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I agree, pre-flop is play is important. My reason for that statement was that I found myself over-anylzing pre-flop too much and not concentrating on post-flop and I thought your post was indicative of this as well [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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66 is a clear fold in my opinion.

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I still disagree. Facing a raise from an EP player, yes, drop it. But if you can limp in with it for one bet it is definitely worth seeing the flop. Granted you are mostly looking for a set on the flop which you will only get 12% of the time. But, if your set holds up you should win big with it.

99 - R
88 - R
66 - C
ATs - R
AJ - R
AT - R
KQs - R
KJs - R/C (i cant decide)
KQ - R