Party 20/40 - 99

shant · #1 10-26-2005, 02:47 AM

I don't think I played this very well. Thoughts on a turn/river line?

MP1: Big preflop LAG, slows down postflop - 57/35/1.4
UTG+2: Loose-pasive preflop, gets aggressive on the big streets - 53/0.9/1.3

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Preflop: I am MP3 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 raises, 1 fold, I 3-bet, 4 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, I bet, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+2 bets, MP1 calls, I?

ArturiusX · #2 10-26-2005, 03:06 AM

Arg, this situation sucks.

Steve Giufre · #3 10-26-2005, 03:25 AM

I dont really think it matters as long as you dont fold. I like raising the turn little better than just calling. The guy in the middle might fold 6 outs, and you can charge the flush draws this way. Decide what to do on the river once you get there. If you think the LAG might three bet bluff you then just call down.

toss · #4 10-26-2005, 04:06 AM

You say UTG+2 is loose passive, but likes to get aggr. on the turn and the river. So that means we'd like to showdown in this situation. We either call or raise the turn. UTG+2 is either betting out with a lower pocket pair, maybe flush draw, sometimes a T, maybe a even a 3. I like raising since MP1 is trapped for another bet and we extract more value from UTG+2 if he's betting with a worse hand. I'm probably going to check behind on most rivers here since I still fear a better hand from UTG+2. Or maybe we need to value bet. Really depends on what UTG+2 hand ragne is.

DeeJ · #5 10-26-2005, 05:49 AM

raise or fold.

JacksonTens · #6 10-26-2005, 07:24 AM

Raise to charge the FD, and hurt him if he's semibluffing.

Then check behind on the river. I don't like calling, and I think it's too tough to find a fold.

JT [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

stoxtrader · #7 10-26-2005, 08:44 AM

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I dont really think it matters as long as you dont fold. I like raising the turn little better than just calling. The guy in the middle might fold 6 outs, and you can charge the flush draws this way. Decide what to do on the river once you get there. If you think the LAG might three bet bluff you then just call down.

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This is pretty darn good. The presence of a 3rd player in the pot makes a raise the play I think, but its close, because a 3 bet semi-bluff from a LAG is very possible if he has a flush draw, and not that bad of a play either. I would still raise, and fold to a 3 bet. You just get too much equity from the overcaller here. Also you will get a free showdown out of it some of the time as as well.

BoxTree · #8 10-26-2005, 09:08 AM

Raise the turn (and fold to a 3-bet) for the reasons already stated.

But the river can get interesting.

Let's assume you raised. What was the river card?

Jeffage · #9 10-26-2005, 10:50 AM

Raise. He might have turned a club draw or flopped a draw and decided to bet out. Or he has you beat. But I'm going upstairs here.

Jeff

shant · #10 10-26-2005, 12:48 PM

OK so raise and fold to 3-bet is what I did.

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Preflop: I am MP3 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 raises, 1 fold, I 3-bet, 4 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, I bet, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+2 bets, MP1 calls, I raise, UTG+2 3-bets, MP1 calls, I fold.

River: (14.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets, UTG+2 folds.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB