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05-21-2005, 12:51 AM
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Example of raising A A 2
I want to say right up front that this example is NOT exactly like the example that Gooper had given, but it's darn close and the hand just happened half an hour ago.
Playing Ultimate Bet O8 1/2 Full Table the usual loose players I'm in the big blind. Dealt A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] So I do have what I would call a premium hand 2 folds, 2 calls, 1 fold, 2 calls, sb completes....I raise. 1 fold and 5 callers Six players see the flop (6 big bets) Flop (Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]) Now this flop certainly didn't hit me, but it probably didn't hit anyone else either. check, I bet, 2 folds, 3 calls down to 4 players (8 big bets) Turn (Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]) It's checked through River (3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]) sb checks, I bet, all fold If I hadn't been agressive early, someone could have easily had a better hand. I'm not crazy about the tentative play at the turn. Should I have bet there and tried to take it down there? If I had this hand in a late position I would have felt more comfortable betting the turn. What do you think? Ironman Dave 
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#2
05-21-2005, 10:04 AM
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Re: Example of raising A A 2
I don't think they got out of your way because of your pre-flop aggression. My opinion is you were fortunate enough that none of your remaining opponents held any queens. I can't see them checking the turn behind you and folding the river if they did.
But I agree that your flop bet may have knocked out a Q which very well could have led to your winning the hand.
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#3
05-21-2005, 12:46 PM
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Re: Example of raising A A 2
Alchemist,
That is exactly what I was thinking. I didn't want someone with two outs or a long shot straight draw sticking around to the river without thinking they were behind. Last night I played for about 3 hours. In that time I played 21% of the hands, so when I was in a hand, I tried to make the people drawing against me pay when they were behind. It didn't work every time, but over the entire evening, I made money. You are absolutely right of course about the river hands. If anyone has a queen, I'm dead. When I checked the turn and then bet when the Q came out on the river, I guess they put me on a queen instead of the pair of Aces. In the end I think this is a hand that illustrates why you should be aggressive preflop with a good hand so that when the flop, turn, and river don't really hit you...you can still win the money in the end. Or...it might just show that I got lucky...and I can live with that too. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Dave
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#4
05-21-2005, 05:59 PM
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Re: Example of raising A A 2
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but it's darn close and the hand just happened half an hour ago [/ QUOTE ] I disagree. The suited A changes the hand a lot. [ QUOTE ] If I hadn't been agressive early, someone could have easily had a better hand. [/ QUOTE ] You only knocked 1 person out of the hand preflop! I think that your flop bet only knocked out the people that missed everything and I think that your raise pre-flop may have actually decreased your chance of taking this down w/o a showdown. Why? Because your pre-flop raise increased the desire for everyone else to draw which means more cards will beat you. I think that you played this hand well, however I also think that you got lucky because it looks like everyone else missed everything and I don't attribute that to your pre-flop raise. I'm sorry if I sound like I am getting agressive (I don't mean to be). Maybe I will add some examples to my other post to try and clarify my point.
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#5
05-21-2005, 10:48 PM
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Re: Example of raising A A 2
Gooper, I didn't take it that way at all. I really appreciate your (and everyone else's) comments.
I know my level of play has jumped considerably since I started reading 2 + 2. Thanks
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#6
05-22-2005, 12:44 AM
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Re: Example of raising A A 2
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Gooper, I didn't take it that way at all. [/ QUOTE ] Good. It is always hard to really emote on a forum so I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't upsetting anyone off. [ QUOTE ] I know my level of play has jumped considerably since I started reading 2 + 2. [/ QUOTE ] Me too. This place has been a god send for my O8 game.
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#7
05-22-2005, 05:40 PM
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Re: Example of raising A A 2
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But I agree that your flop bet may have knocked out a Q which very well could have led to your winning the hand. [/ QUOTE ] Winning or losing a hand is irrelevant, only your EV matters. Until you start to realise what that means, you won't ever develop good Omaha/8 skills. You raise AA2 to earn yourself EV, not to make players fold who would have beaten you otherwise, as it could just as easily make players who you will beat anyway fold and the players who beat you not fold.
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#8
05-22-2005, 06:35 PM
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Re: Example of raising A A 2
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not to make players fold who would have beaten you otherwise [/ QUOTE ] But making people fold is what makes AA2 rainbow more +EV. See chart: http://www.csc.calpoly.edu/~sjaspan/...ndomHands.html
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#10
05-23-2005, 12:26 PM
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Re: Example of raising A A 2
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Go back and try again [/ QUOTE ] Do I get to pass go and do I get to collect 200? [ QUOTE ] The problem is YOU'RE NOT PLAYING AGAINST RANDOM HANDS [/ QUOTE ] This is true even with non random hands. Go to twodimes, plug in a bunch of reasonable hands, and see for yourself.
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