Gambling with the jank

sleepyjoe · #1 12-31-2002, 09:43 AM

My ending thoughts are this: I don't care if this person has been playing two random cards all night. If I'm going to protect a $4 blind with an additional $12, I want to have something that, in my mind, is more than two random cards.

Are you planning on calling him down the whole way regardless of the flop? If you are (since his betting must be considered meaningless as he plays recklessly) then knock yourself out. I would just as soon wait until I get a pocket pair, suited connectors, a suited ace, or something that I can feel confident with if I hit the right flop. I cannot really envision many flops that are going to leave you feeling confident.

8h9h, for instance, is a hand that I would rather have than A 2 off. At lease there are some flops that you could play aggressively. A 2 is completely useless to me, as I don't play any hands with a 2 in them.

Yerma · #2 12-31-2002, 05:11 PM

I would like to offer you some constructive criticism: you are a bad player! You should learn that Ax is better heads-up than 98s. You should go on to learn why Ax is better heads-up than 98s. Until then, you will remain a very bad player!

sleepyjoe · #3 01-02-2003, 09:41 AM

I don't think you are taking into account the type of player that you are playing against. Obviously, in a normal situation, Ace anything is better than 9 high. However, if I'm up against some maniac player who plays any bs hand, I would rather have a hand that could make a nut hand: suited connectors, A x suited, pocket pairs, etc. I would prefer to wait for a situation where I had a better hand.

The fact that I don't see this the same as you does not make you a genius and me a bad player. I play far less hands than the average person at the table but because I pick my spots more carefully I have been able to be a modest winner in an arena where most people say they are winning players but are not.

I'm not sure which category you fall into.

Yerma · #4 01-02-2003, 02:27 PM

Listen sleepyjoe,

1) You can win only modestly by folding A2o in these situations.

2) You are a *bad* player if you are winning modestly.

*****end of constructive criticism*****

3) Enjoy your $1.15/hour, weakie. [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img]

4) Please mail your dollar for my clue to: Iloveyerma@yerhouse.everyday.fool

sleepyjoe · #5 01-02-2003, 02:40 PM

As to your first point:

"You can win only modestly by folding A2off in these situations"

I would like to hear others opinions, preferably someone who I know is not sitting at home right now trying to dress up like their mother by putting on pantyhose and lipstick.
Mason? Sklansky? someone else?

I don't think it is that unreasonable a statement to say that I would choose not to gamble with a maniac after he has raised my big blind (during a kill pot) from $4 to $16 when I hold A 2 off. If Mr. Malmuth, Sklansky, etc suggest to me that I absolutely HAVE to do this in order to be a winning player then I will certainly take that into consideration when evaluating my play. However, as of now, I would not choose to put in that additional $ against a maniac with A 2 offsuit.

2. You are a *bad* player if you are winning modestly.

If a player winning modestly is a bad player, what are the majority of players who lose money at the poker tables? We all can't be heroes and win tons of money. Maybe your the best player on your farm up in Canada but that doesn't mean much to me.

3. The bachelor party ended on Saturday night so you can come by and pick up your mom anytime.

Yerma · #6 01-02-2003, 04:42 PM

"I don't think it is that unreasonable a statement to say that I would choose not to gamble with a maniac after he has raised my big blind (during a kill pot) from $4 to $16 when I hold A 2 off."

It's not an unreasonable statement so long as you hate money.

"If a player winning modestly is a bad player, what are the majority of players who lose money at the poker tables? We all can't be heroes and win tons of money. Maybe your the best player on your farm up in Canada but that doesn't mean much to me."

Fine. Enjoy yer $1.15/hour! Enjoy! Don't mind me. I'm broke all the time.

David Ottosen · #7 12-31-2002, 05:19 PM

"If I'm going to protect a $4 blind with an additional $12, I want to have something that, in my mind, is more than two random cards."

You throw in $16. I'll throw in $12. Give me A2o. You deal yourself two random cards.

Let's see who comes out ahead in the long run, ok? If your plan when playing heads up trying to hit flops, you're going to lose. Plain and simple. So yes, in your case, this would be a good fold.