Current Major Leaguers that are locks for the Hall of Fame

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Sosa is definitely in.

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Oh he'll probably get in, but he doesn't deserve it. He had 4-5 years with big numbers, and he is a known cheater.

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Which was the only good one?

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Honestly, I'm not impressed by any of them. Look at his stats year by year. Now explain the sudden "improvement" starting in 1998 and "coincidentally" tailing off after the corked bat incident.

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Look at his stats year by year. Now explain the sudden "improvement" starting in 1998 and "coincidentally" tailing off after the corked bat incident.

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He was cheating and exceled. He got caught, stopped cheating and his production dropped off accordingly.

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I'm not disagreeing. But you don't need to skew the facts to try to make a point. He had five ridiculous seasons. Innocent or guilty can be debated, but you can't say he had one good year.

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Quite a few close:
Rafael Palmeiro
Manny Ramirez
Todd Helton
Jeff Bagwell
Larry Walker
Bernie Williams
Vladimir Guerrero

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for the close guys:

Palmeiro-yes
Manny- some more good years
Helton- see above
Bagwell- might take a while, there can be an arguments for and against
Walker- I don't think he makes it, a cutoff guy
Bernie- no way
Vlad- needs more quality seasons

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Which was the only good one?

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Honestly, I'm not impressed by any of them. Look at his stats year by year. Now explain the sudden "improvement" starting in 1998 and "coincidentally" tailing off after the corked bat incident.

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him walking 30 more times starting in '98 and being born in Nov of 1968, meaning he's not exactly a spring chicken anymore. Is it weird he had his burst a little later than most? Sure. Entirely 'roids based? I doubt it. In '95 he started showing the discipline and in the injury-plagued '96 he improved is isolated slugging, had an off year, then put it all together.

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Which was the only good one?

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Honestly, I'm not impressed by any of them. Look at his stats year by year. Now explain the sudden "improvement" starting in 1998 and "coincidentally" tailing off after the corked bat incident.

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What part of steroids dramatically improves your walk rate again? Oh wait, that was Sammy Sosa and Jeff Pentland completely changing his approach to the plate.

Look at a guy like Alfonso Soriano - what's his big knock? He can't lay off bad pitches, so he doesn't walk a lot, and he strikes out a good bit on horrible swings. The guy has all the tools and can hit the ball a very long way. Now just imagine if he started taking those pitches, and other bad ones. Don't you think he'd become a much better hitter?

I agree that he'd be a marginal case in the eyes of voters if he didn't hit all the homers (but made up for it by, say, hitting a lot of doubles). But his peak was so monstrous that I'd put him in - it's the Koufax argument.