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#11
06-21-2005, 04:45 PM
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Re: My check-threebet runs smack into another player\'s check-cap...
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[ QUOTE ] I only called since I wanted to see the flop [/ QUOTE ] This is a bad reason. You have a HUGE equity edge against 3 other players. [ QUOTE ] possibly set up for a checkraise. [/ QUOTE ] This is a good reason. In a multiway pot, you will want to protect your likely overpair and a c/r (assuming the Button bets) will do just that. I would have probably thrown in one more raise on the turn. Spewing? 
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#12
06-21-2005, 04:51 PM
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Re: My check-threebet runs smack into another player\'s check-cap...
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I would have probably thrown in one more raise on the turn. Spewing? [/ QUOTE ] As I said in my response to chesspain, I think it far better to bet the turn than check-raise it. -McGee
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#13
06-21-2005, 04:55 PM
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Re: My check-threebet runs smack into another player\'s check-cap...
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[ QUOTE ] I would have probably thrown in one more raise on the turn. Spewing? [/ QUOTE ] As I said in my response to chesspain, I think it far better to bet the turn than check-raise it. -McGee [/ QUOTE ] Agreed. Given the river card, check/call is the only way to play the river, right?
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#15
06-21-2005, 04:58 PM
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Re: My check-threebet runs smack into another player\'s check-cap...
Hmmm, I think at the flop I'd be leaning toward TT (obviously a disaster) or 99 (still not all that great for you). I think in this case I'd want to be sure a bet went in on the turn, and I'd be pretty sure he was going to be putting that bet in, so I'd check/call. River card sucks.
Edit: I'm not crazy about not capping PF, but it may not be that big a deal. If the known TAG knows you as a TAG, a cold-call then check-raise later should set off alarms. The other unkown's opinion of you might make the difference. (Would a cap be seen as gambooling by him, or as a tight player with AA/KK?)
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#16
06-21-2005, 05:01 PM
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Re: My check-threebet runs smack into another player\'s check-cap...
I'm thinking I like the idea of c/c the turn, bet this river? The J may actually give us a little cover on the river as it puts 4 to a straight, and villain may have a hard time raising here.
ehhh, not too sure I like it. I'd like to limit the betting to 2bbs on the turn and river.
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#17
06-21-2005, 05:10 PM
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Re: My check-threebet runs smack into another player\'s check-cap...
Another point: What about leading out on the flop? Maybe it's seeing monsters, but the pot is big enough now that I'd be trying to take it down, and there are straight possibilities out there. Given that, what about leading and letting MP2 raise to isolate you? Maybe I'm being results-oriented since I know the 4-straight hit.
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#18
06-21-2005, 05:18 PM
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Re: My check-threebet runs smack into another player\'s check-cap...
Wow, this one is...wow.
Preflop, MP2 raises, Button 3-bets (...by the way, I don't much care for the call: if Button is a TAG and has a decent read on you, he already knows you're not calling 2.5 bets with anything less than a premium hand, so you're not deceiving him...I'd go ahead and cap it and get the guaranteed $ now...), MP2 does not cap. So I'm not putting him on AA or KK. QQ, JJ, TT, maybe AK, AQ, AJ or as low as AT or 99/88/77. Who likes the flop: QQ, JJ, AT, TT (!), 88, 77. I don't see 99, AT check/capping. JJ has overcard pair plus a GSSD. If he's a sneaky player, I'm putting him on JJ or QQ...with this much action, I'd hold off until the BBs on the turn to raise if I had the trips. But since we don't KNOW if he's a sneaky player, he could very well have TT, 88, 77. I think your strategy is reasonable. I probably don't risk a turn bet. I don't want to be reraised out of this pot. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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#19
06-21-2005, 05:56 PM
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Re: My check-threebet runs smack into another player\'s check-cap...
[ QUOTE ]
IMO - [ QUOTE ] I only called since I wanted to see the flop [/ QUOTE ] This is a bad reason. You have a HUGE equity edge against 3 other players. [ QUOTE ] possibly set up for a checkraise. [/ QUOTE ] This is a good reason. In a multiway pot, you will want to protect your likely overpair and a c/r (assuming the Button bets) will do just that. [/ QUOTE ] Splitting up what was originally a single sentence into two sentences is just silly and misleading. The reason I only called is that if I want to go for flop checkraise, capping and then checking the flop would greatly increase the risks of the flop getting checked through, especially if MP2 has a smallish premium pair and the Button has whiffed overcards.
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#20
06-21-2005, 06:02 PM
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Re: My check-threebet runs smack into another player\'s check-cap...
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] IMO - [ QUOTE ] I only called since I wanted to see the flop [/ QUOTE ] This is a bad reason. You have a HUGE equity edge against 3 other players. [ QUOTE ] possibly set up for a checkraise. [/ QUOTE ] This is a good reason. In a multiway pot, you will want to protect your likely overpair and a c/r (assuming the Button bets) will do just that. [/ QUOTE ] Splitting up what was originally a single sentence into two sentences is just silly and misleading. The reason I only called is that if I want to go for flop checkraise, capping and then checking the flop would greatly increase the risks of the flop getting checked through, especially if MP2 has a smallish premium pair and the Button has whiffed overcards. [/ QUOTE ] Didn't mean to be misleading. I thought you intended them as 2 different reasons. The first being the typical weak-tight "want to make sure no Ace flops" reason. You did use the word "and" between the two thoughts. If this wasn't your thought, then disregard my comment. My apologies.
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