I HATE POCKET QUEENS!!! Should I have called down?

HighStakesPro · #1 12-22-2005, 07:32 PM

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Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. MP1 posts a blind of $0.50.
2 folds, MP1 (poster) checks, 1 fold, MP3 calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB 3-bets, BB caps, MP1 calls, MP3 folds, Hero calls, SB calls.

Flop: (17 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, BB raises, MP1 calls, Hero folds, SB 3-bets, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (12.25 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP1 checks.

River: (12.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 14.25 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has Kd As (straight, ace high).
MP1 has 9c Qd (two pair, queens and fours).
SB has 6s 5d (one pair, fours).
Outcome: BB wins 14.25 BB. 

This wasn't a wild table or anything like that, but I was stunned by the hands that were shown down. I thought for sure on the flop that at least one person had either an overpair or a set. As it was they had 11 outs combined to outdraw me (3 Aces, 3 Kings, 1 Queen, 4 Eights). Should I have kept calling, or was I just unlucky on this hand in general? The idiot small blind and his six-five offsuit ended up costing me tthe hand.

#2 12-22-2005, 07:46 PM

Any reads would be nice. But in their absence, the pot is huge on the flop. You've got an over pair to the board which may or may not be good, a BDFD and BDSD, at least call if not 3-bet the flop, then reeavaluate on the turn.

bozlax · #3 12-22-2005, 07:49 PM

Uh, the SB is stacking off. BB probably realizes that, widening his range preflop a tad. Problem you've got is that BB is likely to have at least an ace, so if he's not already on a better pp, he's got outs on you. And MP1 hanging around with a possible flush draw doesn't make it any easier. If I don't know enough about BB to think he's trying to isolate the short-stack, I fold, otherwise I 3-bet. This is not a flop to be cold-calling.

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The idiot small blind and his six-five offsuit ended up costing me tthe hand.

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Bad way to think, this.

HighStakesPro · #4 12-22-2005, 07:49 PM

What do "BDFD" and "BDSD" mean?

bozlax · #5 12-22-2005, 07:50 PM

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What do "BDFD" and "BDSD" mean?

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"Back-door flush/straight draw"...it means that on the flop you've got 3 cards to a straight or a flush, so you'd need runner-runner (the right two cards in a row) to have your draw come in.

HighStakesPro · #6 12-22-2005, 07:53 PM

Oh okay, I know what backdoor draws are, just wasn't familiar with those abbreviations.

#7 12-22-2005, 07:54 PM

Even without any reads, i'd have it hard to fold an overpair/bdfd/bdsd with a pretty decent sized pot on the flop.

I like re-evaluating on the turn... but I am a newbie

HighStakesPro · #8 12-22-2005, 07:57 PM

I know there's a case for calling, but it seems like all the other times I call down in situations like this they show me aces or kings. And there's the problem of a lower pocket pair having a set

#9 12-22-2005, 08:03 PM

MAYBE T or J.. but i'd find it hard to cap PF with TT (maybe JJ as well?) with 4 people in

I think i'd rule out capping 44 personally.

AA or KK could be a concern.. but I think the checked turn would make ya feel good.

bozlax · #10 12-22-2005, 08:04 PM

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Even without any reads, i'd have it hard to fold an overpair/bdfd/bdsd with a pretty decent sized pot on the flop.

I like re-evaluating on the turn... but I am a newbie

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Problem is, it may cost you 4 bets, not just 2, to see the turn, but won't give you any new information.