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Old 12-28-2005, 02:07 AM
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Default Expanding my horizons: playing draws aggressively

My game tends to be a lot of ABC poker, and I need to work on being more aggressive in situations that warrant it, such as this hand, in which I flop mid pair + OESD to a preflop raise, and then pick up a flush draw on the turn as well. I'd like thoughts on all streets as played (excluding the PF open-limp, which I know is stupid and I normally don't do) as well as potential other lines. I was basically trying to represent a set as "obviously" as possible, and still have a billion outs if I got called.

Villain is 45/32/1.75 through 40 hands. This hand breaks the converter, I'll do my best to pretty it up.

Texas Hold'em $1-$1 NL (real money)

Seat 1: Seat1 ($145.90 in chips)
Seat 2: Seat2 ($121.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Seat3 ($106.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Seat4 ($59.40 in chips)
Seat 5: Hero ($112.90 in chips)
Seat 6: Seat6 ($146.55 in chips)
Seat 7: Seat7 ($131 in chips)
Seat 8: Seat8 ($74.50 in chips)
Seat 9: Villain ($109.60 in chips)
Seat 10: Seat10 ($288.80 in chips)

Hero is UTG+1 with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
ANTES/BLINDS
Seat2 posts blind ($0.50), Seat3 posts blind ($1).

PRE-FLOP
Seat4 folds, Hero calls $1, Seat6 folds, Seat7 folds, Seat8 calls $1, Villain bets $3, Seat10 calls $3, Seat1 folds, Seat2 folds, Seat3 calls $2, Hero calls $2, Seat8 folds.

FLOP ($13.50) [board cards 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img],7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ]
Seat3 checks, Hero checks, Villain bets $10, Seat10 calls $10, Seat3 folds, Hero calls $10.

TURN ($43.50) [board cards 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img],7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img],9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ]
Hero checks, Villain bets $25, Seat10 folds, Hero bets $80, Villain bets $71.60 and is all-in, Hero calls $16.60.
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Old 12-28-2005, 02:12 AM
Maulik Maulik is offline
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Default Re: Expanding my horizons: playing draws aggressively

you shouldn't limp utg w/ 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

on the flop lead.

on the turn why are you getting most of your chips in with a draw? he's not folding any of his hands to your raise?
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Old 12-28-2005, 02:15 AM
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Default Re: Expanding my horizons: playing draws aggressively

I am happy you posted this because I've wanted to ask the following question:

Is a raise to $35 or $40 on the flop a good idea?
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Old 12-28-2005, 02:51 AM
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i think it's fine limping utg with 65s, as long as you're not really deep.

instead of check/calling the flop, i would lead into the raiser with 9
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Old 12-28-2005, 04:14 AM
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Default Re: Expanding my horizons: playing draws aggressively

Ok, so I lead the flop - how do I handle these scenarios?

1. Villain raises - big re-raise/push?
2. Villain calls, turn is a brick (say, 2s)
3. Villain calls, turn gives me the FD (like in the real hand)
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Old 12-28-2005, 05:49 AM
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Default Re: Expanding my horizons: playing draws aggressively

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i think it's fine limping utg with 65s, as long as you're not really deep.

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I'm pretty sure the exact opposite is true.
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Old 12-28-2005, 05:52 AM
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As played, just call the turn. You're getting immediate odds to draw to your 7 thousand outs, even if you don't get anymore in on the river when you hit.

The time to get aggressive with big draws is the flop when you still have 2 cards to come.
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Old 12-28-2005, 05:56 AM
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Default Re: Expanding my horizons: playing draws aggressively

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i think it's fine limping utg with 65s, as long as you're not really deep.

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I'm pretty sure the exact opposite is true.

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Exactly, saying its ok as long as you are not really deep is a big misunderstanding of the game.
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Old 12-28-2005, 10:10 AM
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Default Re: Expanding my horizons: playing draws aggressively

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i think it's fine limping utg with 65s, as long as you're not really deep.

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I'm definitely sure the exact opposite is true.

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I think you should lead this flop. The raise on the turn seems like chip spewing to me bc if villains is one who is incapable of folding an overpair you should wait until you make your hand to put your chips in. As played i am calling turn, though i hate it and pushing river if i hit.

This is one of those instances that illustrates why you should have folded preflop, IMO, because you got a decent flop and now you are OOP, probably behind but still can't reasonably find a fold. Not the best situation.
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Old 12-28-2005, 05:57 AM
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i think it's fine limping utg with 65s, as long as you and your opponent ARE relatively deep.

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FYP
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