Stats 5/10 and 10/20

[Guido]

I'm going to post all my stats at both 5/10 and 10/20. You have to remember that I started playing 6-max at 5/10. I had a 200BB downswing from the start at that level. After about 73K hands I took some shots at 10/20 losing 250BB. Nate suggested that I should work on my blind defense and blind stealing. Which I did at 5/10 and I became a lot better at that. Then I went back to 10/20 again and worked my way up but I'm in a 250+BB downswing again. Am I doing something seriously wrong or just a lot of bad luck? Please help...

5/10
Hands 73190
VP$IP 18.66
VP$IP SB 30.81
Saw Flop all hands 25.66
Saw Flop not a blind 13.92
Folded SB to steal 88.50
Folded BB to steal 70.87
Folded BB to steal HU 68.59
Att to steal blinds 25.43
Won $ when saw flop 37.87
BB/100 1.63
Went to showdown 31.73
Won $ at SD 54.17
Raised preflop 12.76
Folded to river bet 45.16

Aggression factors
Preflop 1.64
Flop 4.30
Turn 3.64
River 2.42
Overall 2.62

10/20
Hands 68295
VP$IP 20.58
VP$IP SB 29.33
Saw Flop all hands 25.58
Saw Flop not a blind 15.81
Folded SB to steal 85.83
Folded BB to steal 65.23
Folded BB to steal HU 60.61
Att to steal blinds 29.09
Won $ when saw flop 40.16
BB/100 0.62
Went to showdown 31.82
Won $ at SD 53.22
Raised preflop 14.76
Folded to river bet 44.41

Aggression factors
Preflop 1.84
Flop 4.12
Turn 3.57
River 2.42
Overall 2.71

As you can see I defend a lot more and I steal a lot more but are there any other interesting points I have to improve? I would like to believe that I'm at least a 2BB/100 hand player but that's hard to believe when I see these stats. I can't even get 1BB/100...

Do I have to post any other stats?

Thanks,

Guido

[jujujaja34]

Guido,

Just curious what your BB/hand in the SB and BB look like...

jujujaja34

[Guido]

Hi jujujaja34,

At 5/10 these numbers are:
-0.06BB/100 in the SB
-0.16BB/100 in the BB

At 10/20 these numbers are:
-0.10BB/100 in the SB
-0.17BB/100 in the BB

Wow, seems I've become a lot worse in the blinds than I was. Or a lot of bad luck...

Thanks,

Guido

[TazQ]

I defend my BB ~55% of the time.

Everything looks fine stat wise. Just could be a prolonged mediocre run. When you get to 150k hands you may want to start looking at your postflop decisions if you continue to run sub 1 BB/100.

[helpmeout]

5/10

Your VPIP is too tight I think 22-24 is a good range.

You are way too weak in the blinds.
Aim for 80 in SB vs a steal
50-60 in BB

You have to defend with stuff like QTo JTo K8o type hands even T9s is good enough.

Your blind steals are a bit weak I think you might want to add a couple of hands and push it up to 27-29ish range.

Preflop raise is definately a bit low, I think you might not be losening up with position. 14-15 is pretty good at 5/10.

I think you are too agro postflop, or at least you dont call too much.

I'm not a big fan of people whose TOT-A is well over 2, they are just too easy to manipulate with calldowns and river raises.

I cant say too much about 10/20 as I didnt play enough of it to know how your stats should change.

As for other stats:

I think probably VPIP and PFR from position might be helpful. Also your winrate from the blinds.

Checkraise % is also good.

[pfkaok]

[ QUOTE ]
Nate suggested that I should work on my blind defense and blind stealing. Which I did at 5/10 and I became a lot better at that.

[/ QUOTE ]

Did you post a lot of those types of hands, or did you just spend tons of time away from the table thinking about those types of spots? This is what I'm concerned most with my game now, as well as how to proceed on the turn in position vs. a LAG when I'm "almost certain" he'll CR with just about any pair or draw.

BTW, if you're including your initial 250BB downswing when you hadn't improved your HU play, and weren't ready for 10/20, then your "true win rate" now could be much higher than your .62 BB/100.

As far as your stats go you might be folding too much, but this is just a guess... my Went to SD is around 35-36% and I have about the same VPIP as you. Also your AF seems pretty high, which would also be a result of folding too much. Of course this is just in relation to my stats, so I have no idea if they're optimum, but I always thought that I might be erring on the side of folding too much (esp vs. the LAGs), so it might be a problem that you seem to be folding even more than I do.

FWIW my aggr fact is about 2.9 on flop, 2.5 on turn, and 1.7 on riv, but then again I could just be calling down too much???

[Magikist]

I'll second what helpmeout & pfk said about your AF. I think there's a popular misconception about calling on these boards, especially when it comes to short games. It's actually NOT a sin. Really.

Sure, when you're learning, you repeat the mantra over and over to yourself, "raise or fold." Now that you're playing with big boys, simply calling (especially out of position) must be a critical weapon in your arsenal.

Like the aforementioned posters observed, your AF suggests that A.) you're giving way too much action, and B.) you may be folding when you shouldn't be. Both of these problems are remedied by calling more frequently (the horror!). I would recommend specifically concentrating on spots where you might call instead of raising or folding over your next several sessions.

On a related not, it also looks like you may be folding to a river bet too much. You've got a fair WTS percentage, so it leads me to believe that you're giving up on too many winners.

[Guido]

Hi Helpmeout,

As you can see my stats have changed more to what you suggested when you look at 10/20.

I want to get a VP$IP of about 22-24 and I'm still adding more hands. Defending a little more in the BB will get me there I think.

I think 80 in the SB is a bit to low. From what I've heard 83-85 is about right.

I agree that I should be defending between 50 and 60 in the BB. Since I've improved my blind defense, or at least I think I did, I defend with all the hands you suggested. Even sometimes hands like T8o or 89o. That's why that figure dropped from 70 to about 65 but I guess I should defend even more.

As you can see I steal raise about 29% of the time now and I raise more than 14% of the time preflop.

You could be right that I'm too aggro postflop. Not sure though...

My VP$IP and PFR at different positions are for 5/10 are:
UTG 11.38 and 10.71
MP 11.80 and 10.79
CO 16.25 and 14.66
BTN 19.21 and 16.64
SB 31.81 and 13.92
BB 17.23 and 8.47

My VP$IP and PFR at different positions are for 10/20 are:
UTG 14.60 and 14.32
MP 15 and 14.19
CO 19.62 and 18.31
BTN 20.36 and 18.35
SB 29.33 and 14.61
BB 20.27 and 8.63

My check-raise % at 5/10 is 1.35%
My check-raise % at 10/20 is 1.5%

Thanks,

Guido

[helpmeout]

5/10
UTG 14.2/11.7
MP 16.2/13.7
CO 19.3/16.8
B 23.2/20
SB 36.7/16 <-- yeah i know i am too loose here
BB 26.7/9.3

Looking at your stats you seem to play only 2/4 positions not including blinds. UTG/MP and CO/Button(at 5/10 these stats differ a bit).

You might want to change your style from MP and button. MP you might raise A9o while UTG you'd fold. On the button you should be making loser steals/calls than in CO.

Your checkraise is also quite low. Aiming for around 2 is good. I find a lot of checkraising is from HU against a steal.

Say you defend with K6o and hit a 6 on the flop, its best to checkraise because the preflop raiser always bets when you check.

Also at 10/20 I found my steals and aggression preflop increased because there are less loose callers compared to 5/10 so I think that might be more the reason your stats increased in those areas rather than you making big improvements.

[tongni]

I just started playing 10/20 6max about a week ago, it's funny though, your stats look almost identical to mine save for folding BB to steal and I'm down 150BB after 14k hands. Scary. I really think that focusing on reads might improve your W$SD, and if you just called more in the BB your VP$IP would go up to a healthy rate too. Anyways, the swings in 10/20 are frustrating, and I'd wager that its just running poorly that's hurting you. I hope you figure it out, because I'd like to too.