Turn Donk

#1 10-23-2005, 12:06 AM

Turn donker is 44/15/1.8

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero raises, Button calls, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, Button folds, BB calls.

Turn: (4.20 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.20 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero raises

Comments?

admiralfluff · #2 10-23-2005, 01:38 AM

without reads I fold the turn.

#3 10-23-2005, 02:00 AM

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without reads I fold the turn.

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What about with reads?
I provided them.

admiralfluff · #4 10-23-2005, 02:03 AM

I meant more specific postflop reads for this player. With these stats I would assume a turn donk will mean a piece of the board a lot of the time. To call down from the turn OI would estimate you need to be good at least a third of the time, and I just don't think you're there.

If I had a specific read that he had a propensity for donkbluffing the turn, I would consider continuing.

Given the turn call the river is good.

#5 10-23-2005, 02:17 AM

Sorry, I didn't know you meant postflop reads. OK, so your default against an unknown turn donker is to fold in that spot.

Argus · #6 10-23-2005, 02:26 AM

Definitely fold this. We are only barely ahead of a few of villain's possible holdings, and drawing to at most 6, but often fewer outs in a pot whose size doesn't warrant it. Ask yourself what villain has. My guess is any pair, trips, or a flush draw with at least one overcard (often the ace). You equity against this range is pretty weak.

Robk · #7 10-23-2005, 03:01 AM

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Definitely fold this. We are only barely ahead of a few of villain's possible holdings, and drawing to at most 6, but often fewer outs in a pot whose size doesn't warrant it. Ask yourself what villain has. My guess is any pair, trips, or a flush draw with at least one overcard (often the ace). You equity against this range is pretty weak.

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disagree strongly. i think you are underestimating the chances his hand is best here. a pair checkraises this flop very often. against some unsophisticated players i think hero is a favorite to have the best hand on the turn. on average i think he is ahead more than enough to call down.

youre overlooking the fact that hero has 9 outs against a 5, not 6. a big deal as this is a nice % of his hand range. also against small/medium pp hero has 12 or 9 outs.

drawing dead occasionally does hurt, but hero can be in great shape too against Ax.

Danenania · #8 10-23-2005, 03:10 AM

It's called a donk for a reason. I play it the same.

helpmeout · #9 10-23-2005, 03:18 AM

standard

If the turn didnt make a 2 flush then I'd probably fold, but an agro guy like that is likely going to checkraise the flop with any pair.

So the gaybet looks like he picked up a flushdraw.

#10 10-23-2005, 03:30 AM

With the paired jack its less likely he has one. I like it .