GREAT article by Lou Krieger in CardPlayer.

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This inhumane research disgusts me. Is no one else extremely offended by tortoring dogs?

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I am. I am also amazed how easily and wideley accepted the analogies between animal and human behavoir was, and to some extent, still is within this field.

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That's ok. Most current psychological research on humans is done on college freshmen, as if that's a representative sample of humanity...

[carlo]

Animal studies can never relate to humans-they are not the same. The only thing this study displays is the absolute ignorance of the author or his panderers including Kreiger. The study also shows man at his worst-egocentric, without vision, and guided only by crippling ambition.

You don't have to be a genius to know what will happen to an animal if he is continually electrocuted. A little thinking will ascertain this without the study. It goes without saying that thought is totally irrelevant at the halls of ivy in this instance.

Despicable--could go on forever. Animals do not think! Humans do but not always.

regards,
carlo

[BluffTHIS!]

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This inhumane research disgusts me. Is no one else extremely offended by tortoring dogs?

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The subject dogs here were the famous 'poker dog' breeds you so often see in pictures playing cards around a table. Being subject to this type of research is part of their job description.

[Grisgra]

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Animal studies can never relate to humans-they are not the same.

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Animals do not think! Humans do but not always.

regards,
carlo

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Maroon.

[carlo]

Clarify, what is "Maroon"?


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regards,
carlo

[Clarkmeister]

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acceptance....defiance......none of these will work. What is required is sublime indifference to the result.

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Great post, and absolutely 100% true.

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[royaltrux]

If you think that the grand human is that much different than animals you're deluded. You've just discounted decades of instinctual research.

You are putting too much importance on the advancement of the human race. Take the first man and their reaction to fire. You don't think they were running around screaming like apes? People always seem to put their status, motives, race, religion etc... above others mistakenly thinking that they and their group are far more advanced than those lowly others.

It's like when Americans say they live in the greatest country and know what's best for the world. It's short-sided thinking.

I am an animal lover and abhor what they did in the name of science in the past. It's inconscionable. But to say there are no links to animal and human behaviour is woefully inept and unsound reasoning.

[exeph]

So did you not read the part about the psych test on people, or did you just feel like being a jerk?

[toots]

Hey, don't knock it.

I think jerklike behavior has some evolutionary benefits that we haven't quite nailed down.