Worst limping hand at full table

neuroman · #1 08-25-2005, 06:27 PM

Let's say you are at a $3/$6 live casino game. The game is friendly and loose, the best kind of game there is.

You are in the small blind ($1) with two very poor cards. Ordinarily, you would never play this hand from any position. But miracuously, the entire table limps to you. There is $28 in the pot and you are getting 14-1 odds if you throw in another two dollars to see the flop. (There is of course a small chance the big blind could raise, but let's ignore that.)

What is the worst hand you would limp with in this spot? What hands, despite the odds, aren't profitable enough to play?

This actually occurred to me in a game recently, and I limped T2o. I now think that this was probably a mistake, even with the tremendous odds offered by the pot. Or am I wrong?

Sarge85 · #2 08-25-2005, 06:41 PM

Any Two Suited
Any Two Off Suited 3-gappers or less
Any Pair

Play like a stud post flop

(Any two probably isn't that far off - getting 20:1)

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#3 08-25-2005, 06:45 PM

I would play any suited two, offsuited connectors as low as 67o, and Ax-Kx. Too restricted?

But since the table is that good I might not even play the range above all the time. I'd save the 2/3 sb for another limp.

Edit: Oh and 2-gappers. T-8 and J-9 are personal favorites.

bravos1 · #4 08-25-2005, 07:24 PM

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Edit: Oh and 2-gappers. T-8 and J-9 are personal favorites.

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[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Those look like 1-gappers to me?

Harv72b · #5 08-25-2005, 07:40 PM

Any two cards. 14:1 is too good for me to pass up, period.

Tack on the fact that it's a great table, friendly & loose, which means that I will probably win a great deal of bets postflop when I hit the board hard, and that this figures to be a huge pot which will allow me to correctly chase all kinds of draws, and I just don't see how you can fold 72o here, let alone a mediocre hand.

JacksonTens · #6 08-25-2005, 08:09 PM

Well I play live so I see these games all the time, but to be honest even though your getting 14:1, many players will become sucked in when they think they 'hit their hand'. When the whole table is in TPGK really struggles let alone TPNK so AX & KX are really looking for 2 pair, add to this the enormous possibilitys for straights n flushes and AX, KX are wastes of money, even .5 of a SB. So my mins here are A9 and K9, anything suited and connecters, thats it. Out of position sucks.

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#7 08-25-2005, 08:17 PM

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Edit: Oh and 2-gappers. T-8 and J-9 are personal favorites.

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[img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] Those look like 1-gappers to me?

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Sigh. To me too. Funny what the brain says and what the fingers type sometimes.

neuroman · #8 08-26-2005, 06:52 PM

Hm, that's pretty tight. Obviously you're looking for two pair or better on the flop (or a straight draw) if you have a marginal hand. I would never expect to with with TP, and would expect to lose a fair amount of the hands I flopped two pair with.

Interesting that everyone seems to have slightly different standards. I tend to agree with Sarge. In this situation in the future, I think the worst hands I'd want to call with are offsuit one and two gappers, and off suit three gappers down to, say, 9-5. 8-4, 7-3, and 6-2 is really scraping the bottom of the barrel. I would also play any A-x and any K-x, looking to flop two pair. Q-x and lower that isn't suited and doesn't connect can probably be scrapped.