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Old 11-28-2005, 05:14 PM
kskillz kskillz is offline
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Hi everyone,

My apologies if this isn't the correct forum. So my pal just got back from coaching a soccer tournament in Vegas. While he was there, he had an amazing all night blackjack run at the MGM where he made about $11,000. His bets ranged from $20 to $1600, I'm guessing he played at least 8 hours during that session, and probably another 8 hours in a previous session (finished up $1700 that time).

This weekend he is going back out to Vegas with myself and a couple other pals, he wanted some advice on getting comped at the MGM. I told him to call casino marketing, speak to a host, tell them the name of the pit boss on duty during his run, and ask them what they could do for him to entice him to come back to the MGM this trip.

Is this good advice? Would a major casino like the MGM even care about a player making an 12.5K blackjack score? Is this enough action to warrant any comps or is this just like loose change to the MGM?

I'm not expecting the MGM to offer RFBL or anything like that, but I'd hope they would offer something like a free night or two to get him to come back and drop back some of his winnings.

Thx!
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Old 11-28-2005, 06:35 PM
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did your friend apply for a players club card and get rated throughout his playing sessions? if not, you won't be in the system and neither the host, marketing or floorperson can give you anything.

table comps are measured by a) your average bet over the course of your session as determined by the floor, and b) length of time playing. since your friend varied his bets wildly, he may have gotten rated as low as $50 per hand overall or as much as $300-500. if the computer has you in the low range, then you won't have much bargaining pull. but if MGM has him tagged as a big bettor who won big from pure luck as opposed to something like counting cards, then you can try speaking to a host and see what can be negotiated. the worst they can say is no.

also keep in mind that MGM owns many casinos on the strip of varying quality (though all generally habitable). so while your play may not get you free rooms at the Grand, the crew at Monte Carlo might be glad to have you, or perhaps one of the Mandalay properties (if their comp systems have already merged).
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Old 11-28-2005, 06:46 PM
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Thx for the reply.

My friend did have a player's card and was being rated. The pit boss also offered him his card as he was leaving the table.

He definitely won from pure luck and wild ass betting, my friend is no counter.

If we get lucky and they have him rated as a $300 bettor, what would be appropriate to ask for? Is this enough to ask for a couple nights in a suite, or is this more likely to get us "a couple free nights in a regular room M-Th" mailer? I understand it never hurts to ask for a lot, I'm just curious about what to expect.

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Old 11-28-2005, 07:22 PM
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if you got a business card from the pit, then that's where you should start. if that person cannot directly comp you for your next trip, ask him to recommend to you his favorite host and see how it goes from there.

$300 average bet in blackjack (if that's what the computer says) is definitely deserving of consideration, though weekend room availability is always at a premium no matter where you go in vegas. fortunately, December is one of the deadest months so your friend should be able to get a reasonable offer. suite vs. regular room is at the host's discretion, though if he's bring you and a bunch of other guys to gamble as well that could be a dealmaker.

if you read comp strategy books by Jean Scott ("Frugal Gambler") and Max Rubin ("Comp City"), the optimal way to ask for free stuff is not by saying "can I get this? (yes/no)", but rather say, "WHAT can I get for this level of play?" and then negotiating more from there. this way you at least know where you stand with a host better than if he or she just said "no".

if your friend is still sitting on the cash from his big score, you can also get more comp leverage by setting up a line of credit with the casino, or wiring some advance "front money" to the cage, even if you don't intend on using most of it. regardless of how you bring the money, your friend will be expected to wager within the reasonable range of his previous session. with over $12K in winnings, he can afford to at least flat bet a minimum of $100 per hand, and he can play in the glitzier VIP pit as well.
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Old 11-28-2005, 10:44 PM
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Sixteen hours over two days of $300 avg bet at blackjack will get him full RFB in a suite and perhaps airfare reimbursement if he asks for it at the end of your trip. Show tickets will be no problem either with that kind of play. Be sure he asks for a line pass from the pit boss a few hours into his session, it is worth it's weight in gold IMHO.


I play craps an average of 6 hours per day at a $200 avg bet and get the same.

As another poster suggested just call the pit boss and he can set you up with a host. Or if you prefer PM me and I can give you my host's name and contact number at the MGM.

The line of credit suggestion is good as well. If for no other reason it is easier to just hand them your players card and not have to carry a great deal of cash. Additionally once you have it established at the MGM it is easy to move to another one of their sister casinos and get a quiock credit approval while he waits.

Jimbo
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Old 11-28-2005, 10:49 PM
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i'll bite...rfb?
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Old 11-28-2005, 11:01 PM
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Room
Food
Beverage (Booze)
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Old 12-01-2005, 02:54 PM
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Just call the MGM and tell them you are Nick Pappagorgio (sp?) from yuma and you want your usual suite.
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