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Old 12-15-2005, 06:51 AM
TwoNiner TwoNiner is offline
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Default Explain this about the random number generators

*Not about being rigged*

When the flop comes out and I am last to act before the turn, does the Party Poker wizard of oz already know what it is going to throw out for the next card or is it shuffling around constantly, and me scratching my ass for a second caused that spade to fall?
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Old 12-15-2005, 06:53 AM
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Default Re: Explain this about the random number generators

The deck is already "shuffled" before the first card is ever dealt. It doesn't matter if you take time to scratch your ass or not.
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Old 12-15-2005, 07:11 AM
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Default Re: Explain this about the random number generators

not correct.

the deck is constantly being shuffled, so the scratch could cause the spade.
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Old 12-15-2005, 07:20 AM
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Default Re: Explain this about the random number generators

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not correct.

the deck is constantly being shuffled, so the scratch could cause a rash.

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Old 12-15-2005, 07:23 AM
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Default Re: Explain this about the random number generators

It changes from poker room to poker room.
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Old 12-15-2005, 07:26 AM
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Default Re: Explain this about the random number generators

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It changes from poker room to poker room.

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Nope, the card is unknown until the software requests a card, only then is the number generator called for the next card.
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Old 12-15-2005, 09:51 AM
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Default Re: Explain this about the random number generators

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It changes from poker room to poker room.

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Most sites have a blurb about their RNG and you will find out this is the correct answer.
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Old 12-15-2005, 01:42 PM
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It changes from poker room to poker room.

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The following is from a recent column by Lee Jones in CardPlayer:

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Question: Do you (an online poker site) shuffle a single deck of cards and deal from it, or do you take a random card each time?

Answer: It varies. PokerStars shuffles a 52-card deck, and then starts dealing from the top. Some other sites do that, as well, while other sites choose a card randomly from the deck each time a card is needed. Either approach works just fine as long as you don’t put the cards back in the deck (“without replacement” is the official probability and stats term). And you can bet that the deal is just as random (if not more so) as the shuffle done in a brick-and-mortar cardroom.

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And in spite of paranoia about hacking, I have seen no evidence that it makes a difference which method is used.
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Old 12-15-2005, 12:49 PM
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Most sites (although not all) randomly pick the next card on the fly. So, when you fold 39o preflop, and then the flop comes out 339, there is no reason to yell obsenities like my roommate does. The flop would be essentially different every time, since it is randomly picked on the fly. However, this makes absolutely no difference, and you should stop worrying about it. It is perfectly random, which cannot be said of B&M or home games, where human shuffling causes the cards to not be technically completely random. Despite all of this, online poker is RIGGED!!!!!
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Old 12-15-2005, 12:55 PM
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Default Re: Explain this about the random number generators

The Party Poker website suggests that the RNG feeds the algorithm which picks one of 52-factorial possible decks, and then from that moment, the deck is used throughout the hand.

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Before each hand the PartyPoker.com RNG shuffles the deck into one of these many orderings. The resultant deck is as close to random, if not more so, than a physical deck produced by either a manual or machine shuffle.

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Once the hand is complete, the deck is discarded and a new one generated for the next hand.

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Other sites may do this differently. I believe Full Tilt poker uses the "constantly shuffled" method. Paradise's website is a bit unclear - but their phrasing suggests they *might* use the "constantly shuffled" method.
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