master level bot created?

[thewildone]

The University of Alberta’s Computer Poker Research Group has developed an artificially intelligent automaton known as “Vex Bot,” capable of playing poker at the master level, though as yet it can only apply its gambling genius to two-player games. Vex Bot has been used by researchers to test the frontiers of artificial intelligence – and as the basis for a commercial poker tutorial program, Poki’s Poker Academy -- but some fear it may become a blueprint for programmers with more sinister motives.

[Innocentius]

What does "master level" mean, and how do they know that this thing plays at it?

[mattw]

unlike other games where computers have proven to be equal or supieror(sp?) to humans, i.e. chess and backgammon, poker has a large factor of "human" element. computers will never be able to match the human element. they cant think, only process.

[CRF250X]

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[mattw]

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oh, so cryptic, so vague. you make reference to a big bird who hides his head in the sand when scared. i fail to see any connection to the discussion.

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oh, so cryptic, so vague. you make reference to a big bird who hides his head in the sand when scared. i fail to see any connection to the discussion.

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Would a computer be able to assimilate those two words and understand what he meant? I suspect not. And that's the difference between poker and chess. In chess every possible outcome can be analysed if you have enough computing power. In poker there are a lot of unknowns and context is important.

Having said that I don't doubt that competent bots are possible or already exist and if undetectable would impact severely on internet poker. I don't think this would be because most players would be losing players (they are already), but because playing against a machine is just less satisfying.

[Sciolist]

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Useless. Response. Got any reason for saying that? Yes? care to enlighten us?

[Wyers]

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For Sciolist and mattw;

I think the poster was inferring that he preferred to be oblivious to the possible threat of poker bots... out of sight, out of mind.

I don't think there was any sinister or malicious intent in his post.

Ease up.

[Alobar]

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actually its a very good response.

I've been saying this for a loooong time, but all the people who think its not possible for computers to beat humans because poker is a game of incomplete information, are completely clueless.

Whats really sad is that when it does happen and online poker is ruined, I wont be able to really enjoy spamming my "I told you so"'s everywhere, because I'll be poor and looking for a job [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[theblitz]

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See:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/critters/ostrich.html

Right at the bottom.