Does Party Blackjack Affect MGR

jman220 · #1 10-23-2005, 01:50 AM

As in, if a player loses to Party, does that increase his MGR? And if he wins, does that decrease his MGR?

Sniper · #2 10-23-2005, 01:55 AM

Yes, but why are you playing blackjack? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Photoc · #3 10-23-2005, 02:35 AM

First, there shouldn't be any rakeback at Party.

Second, how the hell would playing BJ in the casino have anything to do with poker rakeback?

somapopper · #4 10-23-2005, 02:55 AM

actually it does, I was looking at the affiliate page the other day, and affiliates get 20% of the bj mgr, which to be clear is the amount the player actually loses on bj, not the house expectation.

StellarWind · #5 10-23-2005, 04:44 AM

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First, there shouldn't be any rakeback at Party.

Second, how the hell would playing BJ in the casino have anything to do with poker rakeback?

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Who said anything about rakeback?

The subject is rake payments to affiliates. Party BJ is a new income stream for poker affiliates. It also introduces the variance monster into a new environment. The affiliate is effectively taking about 1/4 of the house action: +EV but gambling nevertheless. A high roller who gets hot might seriously hurt a small affiliate who was unlucky enough to have signed him up.

Maybe those who know more about BJ can comment on how serious a threat this is?

Sniper · #6 10-23-2005, 12:25 PM

Steller,

Its a huge risk for a small affiliate, some of the poker affiliates of other sites that have offered this for a long time (like paradise) have posted that they requested and had their blackjack stream turned off for this very reason.

For a large affiliate sharing 20% of the risk of a +EV system shouldn't be as much of a concern, but it is still a gamble.

jman220 · #7 10-23-2005, 01:10 PM

To answer some questions:
1. I'm not playing blackjack, the question was from the point of view of affiliates who's players play blackjack.
2. My question wasn't about how it affects rakeback, it as about how it effects MGR.

jman220 · #8 10-23-2005, 01:11 PM

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Steller,

Its a huge risk for a small affiliate, some of the poker affiliates of other sites that have offered this for a long time (like paradise) have posted that they requested and had their blackjack stream turned off for this very reason.

For a large affiliate sharing 20% of the risk of a +EV system shouldn't be as much of a concern, but it is still a gamble.

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Ok, so a player winning big will deduct from the affiliates other poker MGR revenues?

thwang99 · #9 10-23-2005, 01:43 PM

To get more rakeback, it seems like a great way to increase your monthly rakeback by just going bust repeatedly and making huge bets.

crazy canuck · #10 10-23-2005, 01:45 PM

This is kind of irrelevent but the funny thing about this is that BJ can be +EV. You sign up under an affiliate who is your accomplice. Now you bet $200 (I'll just assume 2 outcomes for simplicity's sake i.e. ignoring splitting, doubling dow so the EV is 0.49*$200-0.51*$160 = $16.4
where I assumed 2% house edge. So affiliates should tell all their players to do it! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]