And we're in the money, but is it time to double up?

TwistedEcho · #1 11-10-2005, 01:41 AM

No real reads, the second allin pushed vs my bb a few times, seem typical shortstack push/fold players. We are down to 70 in the 3r, pays top 135 and im about 40th, ave is about 120k.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t6000 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG (t133488)
UTG+1 (t127806)
MP1 (t78248)
MP2 (t217459)
MP3 (t33085)
CO (t42060)
Hero (t70788)
SB (t64388)
BB (t99214)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP3 raises to t32785, CO raises to t41760, Hero cries and?!?!, 2 folds.

#2 11-10-2005, 01:44 AM

I think I'd fold, too likely that CO has a higher pair, and if not that, higher cards. I'd rather play this hand against one of them, but not 2 of them.

ZootMurph · #3 11-10-2005, 01:47 AM

I really don't see calling here as an option with 2 players allin. If it is AJ and KQ, you are pretty much in bad shape. If there is an overpair, worse still. Tens against 2 allins is not a great place to be. HU against a short stack is fine, but you are risking half your stack, and it just ain't worth it to me.

#4 11-10-2005, 02:02 AM

I was screaming at you to fold but you couldn't hear me! [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

#5 11-10-2005, 02:05 AM

MP3's range is pretty big. He probably does this with 22+, KT+, QJ, A6+ or something along those lines. Maybe even throw in a few pure bluffs.

CO's range is obviously significantly tighter. Maybe 88+, AT+.

You're equity is about 40% in a three-way pot here, so I call.

nath · #6 11-10-2005, 02:13 AM

I probably repush, figuring their ranges to be pretty wide, but I don't know if it's a good idea.

#7 11-10-2005, 02:53 AM

I'm folding here.. 10-10 vs. 2 players, you'd have two dodge every card in the deck if they have high cards, or be drawing close to dead with an overpair.

#8 11-10-2005, 02:57 AM

forgot to ask, has MP3 pushed before or is this his first time? Some will situational push with a low stack, others actually wait for good cards.. I will only call if MP3 has been pushing a lot

TwistedEcho · #9 11-10-2005, 03:01 AM

pretty new table, only been here about 10 hands - MP3 hasn't played a hand yet, due to action ahead of him, but folded to MP3 and 5bb, i think his push range is huge. At the time i thought it was a pretty easy call, (see Noah's reasoning) and i stand by it, but two people watching didn't seem to approve. I'm getting 2:1 here, and i think we need to have both pushing insanely tight ranges to fold this... Would be interested to see someone come up with a range for both players that makes this a clear fold.

JustPlayingSmart · #10 11-10-2005, 06:43 AM

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pretty new table, only been here about 10 hands - MP3 hasn't played a hand yet, due to action ahead of him, but folded to MP3 and 5bb, i think his push range is huge. At the time i thought it was a pretty easy call, (see Noah's reasoning) and i stand by it, but two people watching didn't seem to approve. I'm getting 2:1 here, and i think we need to have both pushing insanely tight ranges to fold this... Would be interested to see someone come up with a range for both players that makes this a clear fold.

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Here's a range:

Player #1: JJ-AA, AK
Player #2, QQ-AA

You don't think that's realistic? What? Ok, then easy call. There's no way you don't have 33% equity in this pot. If you plan to win this tournament, you must make this call.