AKO Button vs Small vs Big Blind

[45Player]

I've found the responses to this post very surprising. When I read it first, I thought folding was the best option. Not a no-brainer fold but still a fold. Then I read replies saying easy call, trivial call, etc !

Let us look at the range of hands you're up against :
The best you can hope for is that you're up against 2 weaker aces, then next best is what your opponents actually had, also possible is 2 smaller pair, or another AK and a smaller pair, also a possible pair of Kings or Aces.
If you assign probabilities to all of these scenarios, and work out the combined EV, then depending on the probabilities you assigned (which depends a lot on the players you are up against), you will get a marginal call, a marginal fold, or a clear fold.
No way do you get a trivial call.
And this is NOT being results oriented.

By the way, 2 other observations.
I would have raised more preflop (which ironically would have probably made me call after the reraises !).

How could you be down to 150 after this hand ?

[betgo]

Hero should have just pushed immediately. He is absolutely pot committed now. In late position action, villains don't have to have big hands. With 7xBB you have to put your money in with AK. Hero is a 3-1 favorite or a 4-3 dog aginst likley opponent hands, maybe a 3-2 favorite aginst junk. He is a 3-1 dog against KK and a 14-1 dog aginst AA. In addition to the money hero already has in the pot, the blinds provide substantial pot odds.

There are times to fold AK, but not short stacked in late position action.

Anyone who thinks this is not a trivial call needs to be committed to the home for the terminally weak tight.

[gojacketz]

Good point, how could you be down to 150. Are the stacks posted wrong?

Matt

[diebitter]

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I've found the responses to this post very surprising. When I read it first, I thought folding was the best option. Not a no-brainer fold but still a fold. Then I read replies saying easy call, trivial call, etc !

Let us look at the range of hands you're up against :
The best you can hope for is that you're up against 2 weaker aces, then next best is what your opponents actually had, also possible is 2 smaller pair, or another AK and a smaller pair, also a possible pair of Kings or Aces.
If you assign probabilities to all of these scenarios, and work out the combined EV, then depending on the probabilities you assigned (which depends a lot on the players you are up against), you will get a marginal call, a marginal fold, or a clear fold.
No way do you get a trivial call.
And this is NOT being results oriented.

By the way, 2 other observations.
I would have raised more preflop (which ironically would have probably made me call after the reraises !).

How could you be down to 150 after this hand ?

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And another observation. OP doesn't need to beat both to come out ahead. He can lose to the BB, beat the button, and still come out ahead. So it's bumpety-bump-bump-bump.

[45Player]

Are we talking about the same hand ?


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With 7xBB you have to put your money in with AK

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Where did you pull 7 BBs from ?


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Hero is a 3-1 favorite or a 4-3 dog aginst likley opponent hands

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Now you're making me laugh. Please tell where you got this.


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There are times to fold AK, but not short stacked in late position action.

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What ??????



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needs to be committed to the home

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The irony of it all.

[45Player]

Yeahm I should have mentioned that but I don't think it alters your decision in this situation.
Can you tell me how this makes a difference here ?

[betgo]

Sorry biggest stack opponent has 18xBB. Still short stacks.

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Hero is a 3-1 favorite or a 4-3 dog aginst likley opponent hands


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Now you're making me laugh. Please tell where you got this.

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3-1 favorite against Ax and Kx. 4-3 dog against 22-QQ. I don't get the joke.
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There are times to fold AK, but not short stacked in late position action.


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What ??????

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No reply necessary.

[45Player]

I have to head home now so this will be my last response until Monday. When you say "There are times to fold AK, but not short stacked in late position action.", of course I agree, but you're not short stacked.


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3-1 favorite against Ax and Kx. 4-3 dog against 22-QQ. I don't get the joke.

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If your opponents have Ax and Kx after that action, I'm giving up poker. And incidentally if that is the case, twodimes indicates that your hand is 50 % to win, and the other two are 25% each. So 3/1 favourite is way off.
If both your opponents have smaller pairs, you're about 36%.
If one of them has AK and the other a small pair you're about 19%, etc. etc.
We don't seem to be in too much agreement !

[betgo]

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If your opponents have Ax and Kx after that action, I'm giving up poker.

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I think you should give up poker. It will save you a lot of money.

This is button versus blinds action. The most anyone can bet is 18xBB. Opponents do not have to have big hands. Ax and Kx are a lot more likely than AA and KK.

[ansky451]

Betgo is so blatently correct.