Line check please.....what's your flop bet?

[ononimo]

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I like that flop for my hand too.

I like it even more over a limper than a PF raiser.

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understood but what range of hands are you putting an UTG limper on, particularly at a table where limpers have been raised as a matter of course?

[MLG]

The other problem is you cant even come close to pushing him off a flush draw, especially if its the nut flush and he thinks his A might be good.

[woodguy]

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understood but what range of hands are you putting an UTG limper on, particularly at a table where limpers have been raised as a matter of course?

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small to medium pair, or a weak suited A is what I usually see from a limper in EP.

Never seen this guy before and he did qualify from a $5 rebuy so you gotta let the range be large, hence the raise.

When he called my PF raise I was pretty comfortable with a small/medium pair.

Regards,
Woodguy

[Pepsquad]

Pretty read dependant on UTG but I agree with MLG, this raise is outta line. Barring a read on UTG that he's weak-tight and would lay down any and all underpairs to an overcard, there's no reason for that raise pre-flop.
FWIW, villain has played precisely how I would play AA, KK or AK from UTG at a table that is "pwning limpers". To me, that's just a fancy way of describing a table that's too LAG. If that's the case, I'm not sure why you're trying to LAG it up with the best of them here?

[MLG]

That's not why I said the raise was out of line. It has nothing to do with the kinds of hands the limper may have.

[ononimo]

ok, but given the texture of that table, what hands would you limp with?

playing a weak Ace or small/medium pair out of position to a near-certain late position raise seems pretty risky.

i also would have assumed that the limper had *hoping* to get raised.

maybe i put too much credence in the saying "beware of the (UTG) limper" ...

[MLG]

Its all about reading the texture of the table. Sometimes people are limping there with a very wide range, sometimes they aren't, that's not the problem here. The problem is that even given that you read the limper for not being strong this raise is bad given the stack sizes.

[PAUL-IN]

slam the betz to tha SICKZORZ leVel. No way he can call your Gnarcore bizznet.

[woodguy]

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To me, that's just a fancy way of describing a table that's too LAG. If that's the case, I'm not sure why you're trying to LAG it up with the best of them here?


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No.

The table was agressive, not Laggy. The only LAG was the guy to my right who doubled me up.

I had played 16% of my hands by this point and PF raises were getting a lot of respect.

Over 1/2 of the limps were raised, then those raises were respected.

Regards,
Woodguy

[MLG]

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