Biggest Laydown

sthief09 · #1 03-07-2005, 06:31 PM

I call down too much. I'm trying to fold when it's obvious I'm beat. none of these 3 hands went to showdown, so there's no results orientation here. I'm genuinely curious if these are good or bad or borderline

button is a LAG

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 :#A500AF(Very Loose/Pretty Passive)/ calls, 4 folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Very Loose/Pretty Passive checks, Button bets, SB folds, Hero calls, Very Loose/Pretty Passive calls.

FPS. I should've bet but I didn't. please focus your attention away from the bad check raise

Turn: (3.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, Very Loose/Pretty Passive checks, Button bets, Hero raises, Very Loose/Pretty Passive 3-bets, Button folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB

Trix · #2 03-07-2005, 06:36 PM

shrug, unless he has 74, then you are beat. Can he have AK or AA?

Why are you checking the flop here when the most likely better is the button and you are pretty sure to get a call from utg if you just bet out ?

mr pink · #3 03-07-2005, 06:37 PM

yeah i'm with you here too. check/call flop, check/3-bet turn is scary.

sthief09 · #4 03-07-2005, 06:38 PM

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shrug, unless he has 74, then you are beat. Can he have AK or AA?

Why are you checking the flop here when the most likely better is the button and you are pretty sure to get a call from utg if you just bet out ?

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because I'm dumb [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

gaming_mouse · #5 03-07-2005, 06:49 PM

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Can he have AK or AA?

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This is crucial. If this guy is capable of limping AK, you *may* have a calldown. But it sure looks like you're beat, if he really is that passive.

sthief09 · #6 03-07-2005, 06:51 PM

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Can he have AK or AA?

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This is crucial. If this guy is capable of limping AK, you *may* have a calldown. But it sure looks like you're beat, if he really is that passive.

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I don't think someone that passive cold-3bets with one pair.

Chris Daddy Cool · #7 03-07-2005, 07:14 PM

your flop play is dumb.

good turn fold.

Milky · #8 03-07-2005, 07:21 PM

Why in God's name would you check this flop?

mr pink · #9 03-07-2005, 07:22 PM

that was villain's line, and it usually means he's holding a monster.

private joker · #10 03-07-2005, 09:04 PM

Getting 9.5:1 on the turn call, with 4 outs to fill up, plus implied odds if you hit, I think it might be a thin +EV call here.

Unless you're sure he has KQ and thus only your two 4 outs are good.