Easy call down?

Saborion · #1 08-09-2004, 12:46 AM

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, 6 folds, SB calls, BB calls,

Flop: (8 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, SB calls, BB raises, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, SB calls.

River: (14 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls, SB folds.

Final Pot: 17 BB
Main Pot: 17 BB, between BB, Hero and UTG+1.

The river pairing may have won the pot for me. Should I call even if the river doesn't pair, if say a duece comes on the river?

Yeknom58 · #2 08-09-2004, 01:11 AM

No way do I fold.

I would stongly consider raising the turn and would probably raise the river. The turn reaks or semi bluff raise or at the very most 9T.

balkii · #3 08-09-2004, 01:14 AM

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Saborion · #4 08-09-2004, 01:31 AM

I did consider a raise on the turn. I was pretty sure I was behind since it was a check-raise with a lot of players being in, but the pot was big, and if he only has two pair I have to continue, and because of that, a raise might be in order. The board was somewhat scary though. Still a raise?

Yeknom58 · #5 08-09-2004, 01:52 AM

The board is scary, that's why I though it stank of semi bluff.

Saborion · #6 08-09-2004, 02:00 AM

Semi-bluff after I raised pre-flop, bet the flop and got called in 3 places, then bet the turn and got called by the other two players again? Weird spot to semi-bluff...

balkii · #7 08-09-2004, 02:13 AM

hey sabo

if he's semibluffing here then I'm letting him off cheap. I just call this down. I would need a good read before 3 betting or raising the river.

Garland · #8 08-09-2004, 02:24 AM

With so many people in the pot, it's doubtful BB is raising anything less than 2 pair. You're getting protection from a lot of other players. I'd fold to the turn check-raise as you're drawing dead to a possible straight.

Garland

joker122 · #9 08-09-2004, 02:28 AM

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elindauer · #10 08-09-2004, 02:41 AM

Certainly you can't fold. A 3-bet is interesting for several reasons:

1) you may fold out a pair and give yourself two more outs when you're behind
2) you might fold a pair / ace / gutshot and save yourself the pot when you're ahead
3) You will sometimes lose the same when you are behind, as two pair will often slow down after your three bet and check to you on the river, fearing a set.

Worst case, you lose two more big bets. Best case, you save yourself this big pot. Tough call, but I think there's enough doubt about the check-raisers hand that you should go ahead and invest the extra big bet. 3-bet the turn.

my 2 cents.
Eric