Huge drawing hand -- no idea how to play it.

[jcm4ccc]

I think playing drawing hands is my weakest point. I don't play them consistently, and really am never sure what is the best line to take. Here's a recent one. I'm going to post more as they come around. (sorry, the converter wasn't working)

PP $20 + $2

***** Hand History for Game 2351174130 *****

Seat 1: jcm4ccc (1400)
Seat 4: Veen_150 (775)
Seat 5: DUCKEMJC (1505)
Seat 6: darts02 (200)
Seat 8: diggerjohn (825)
Seat 9: POTILLA (1815)
Seat 10: BeatMyNutz1 (1480)

BeatMyNutz1 posts small blind (25)
jcm4ccc posts big blind (50)

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jcm4ccc [ Qh, Kh ]
Veen_150 folds.
DUCKEMJC folds.
darts02 folds.
diggerjohn raises (100) to 100
POTILLA calls (100)
BeatMyNutz1 calls (75)
jcm4ccc calls (50)

** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6h, 2h, 8d ]
BeatMyNutz1 checks.
jcm4ccc bets (300)
diggerjohn folds.
POTILLA calls (300)
BeatMyNutz1 calls (300)

** Dealing Turn ** : [ 6c ]
BeatMyNutz1 checks.
jcm4ccc checks.
POTILLA checks.

** Dealing River ** : [ 2c ]
BeatMyNutz1 bets (400)
jcm4ccc folds.
POTILLA calls (400)

** Summary **

POTILLA balance 1015, lost 800 [ Ad Js ] [ two pairs, sixes and twos -- Ad,6h,6c,2h,2c ]
BeatMyNutz1 balance 2780, bet 800, collected 2100, net +1300 [ 8s 8c ] [ a full house, Eights full of sixes -- 8s,8c,8d,6h,6c ]

[durron597]

I like check-call a small bet/raise a big bet on the flop.

[tigerite]

Yep, that would be my line too, no need to lead out here, someone will bet to protect their hand with so many in the pot, you can be sure.

[jcm4ccc]

[ QUOTE ]
I like check-call a small bet/raise a big bet on the flop.

[/ QUOTE ] So you'll take a cheap card if they give it, but if there is enough money in the middle to make a steal worthwhile, you'll put all your chips in. Is that the basic idea?

[wiggs73]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I like check-call a small bet/raise a big bet on the flop.

[/ QUOTE ] So you'll take a cheap card if they give it, but if there is enough money in the middle to make a steal worthwhile, you'll put all your chips in. Is that the basic idea?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, that's the idea, and I was assuming a bet of at least half the pot size when I said to check-raise. If they lead out a min-bet or some crap like that, then I think calling is fine. I want the bet to be big enough that I can push over the top of it if I'm check-raising.

[durron597]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
I like check-call a small bet/raise a big bet on the flop.

[/ QUOTE ] So you'll take a cheap card if they give it, but if there is enough money in the middle to make a steal worthwhile, you'll put all your chips in. Is that the basic idea?

[/ QUOTE ]

Exactly. If they are giving me correct pot odds to see 1 card of my draw, then the pot isn't big enough for me to put my whole stack in.

Also usually a hand like a set often wants action and thus the bet is smaller. Whereas a hand like A8 I have more outs against and usually bets bigger to try to take it down.

[rydazzle]

Yeah, look for the cheap card. I like a steal if you are heads-up or 2 opponents...4 total is too many I think. Plus, youve got bad position for a steal.

[wiggs73]

I think you played the hand fine. The only thing I might would have done differently is went for a check-raise on the flop. With 2 overs and a flush draw, you're a slight favorite over any pair (smaller than QQ obviously).

[45suited]

C/R all-in looks good to me. Only problem with that here (IMO) is that even though I have a monster draw, I'd rather take the pot down uncontested with this move. (I know, monster draw, but just as soon take a nice pot without crippling myself if I miss.) Any bet by the pre-flop raiser probably pot commits him, and he might feel like he has to put the rest of his chips in with a hand that dominates yours, thus leaving you with just a flush draw.

I'd actually feel better about the C/R all in if pre-flop raiser was deeper stacked. That said, I'd do it anyway. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[tminus]

9/47 cards to help, you had nowhere near the odds to bet or call 300 chips on the flop, you just layed down 25% of your stack

i bet 1/3 to 1/2 pot and see how they react then check-fold turn, draws kill