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Old 11-10-2005, 10:57 PM
Rotterdaum Rotterdaum is offline
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Default Bad run. PT stats. Telling?

So I'm on a very bad run for quite a while now. I didn't know stuff like that was possible but I'm surely educated about it now. Basically several months beforehand I cruised peacefully at stakes from 50 - 600 NL (properly bankrolled) and in the last 3 weeks lost 95% of it.

I don't find that I'm doing anything differently, and it's frustrating to no end. This run is over 30K hands long now. Either it's incredibly incredibly bad luck, or I've become affected by this bad run and play worse now. Because if it were possible to lose 95% of your bankroll in 3 weeks on a bad streak, I don't think there would be any professional poker players.

Here are some of my stats ... Is there anything that's out of place here? I got PT after the bad run began, and don't have any hand histories from the good times, so nothing to compare it to.

Any general advice and comments would be appreciated.





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Old 11-10-2005, 11:04 PM
The_Bends The_Bends is offline
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Default Re: Bad run. PT stats. Telling?

I assume full ring. Your stats look ok to me. I'd suggest that losing 10 buyins over 8k hands would suggest there were leaks in your game, althought its not impossible you're just running bad. I had a similar run and had to completely break down and rebuild my preflop strategy to get out of it.

Hope it turns round for you.
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Old 11-10-2005, 11:05 PM
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Default Re: Bad run. PT stats. Telling?

look at individual hands where you got stacked

your vpip/pfr look fine but your amount won/lost can be severely changed over such a relatively small sample size by a few hands .... i know mine has, especially if you get stacked two or three times while you're deep
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Old 11-10-2005, 11:23 PM
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Default Re: Bad run. PT stats. Telling?

What's the best way to find all the hands where I got stacked using pokertracker?
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Old 11-11-2005, 12:36 AM
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Default Re: Bad run. PT stats. Telling?

order it by money won/lost. and look for the highest reds.
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Old 11-10-2005, 11:28 PM
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Your showdown % is pretty ugly. You should look at a number of pots where you made calls on the river, or where you made stabs at the pot. If you're not making bad calls, then you may be making a number of transparent bluffs.

That's about all I can gather from these.
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Old 11-10-2005, 11:47 PM
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Default Re: Bad run. PT stats. Telling?

the significant figure for me is went2sd%

won@sd% indicates that people are waiting for big flops against you, then waiting to see if you bet the turn

nobody with a marginal hand is paying you off

lose some respect and check the 1p hands more, esp on turn
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Old 11-11-2005, 12:22 AM
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Default Re: Bad run. PT stats. Telling?

What WtSD #s do you expect?

What you're saying sounds reasonable
That's what people seem to play like against tight ones. I tried to play LAG generally but not after the first half of this run
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Old 11-11-2005, 01:54 AM
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Default Re: Bad run. PT stats. Telling?

i've always hovered from 22-24%, but that's just me; fullring numbers in the vicinity of 21/6/2.5

maybe you're firing too many second shells and not allowing people the comfort level necessary to demonstrate their holdings while simultaneously pot-committing yourself with AK miss

which is fine when they have nothing, but in fullring people have pairs, and those pairs get played

or maybe people started sitting back on you and now you're figuring out how to play TAG

i don't see how you can have those stats and, even with players sitting back on you, still manage to lose at that rate without spewing

it doesn't take much
say, 3 hands (look at AQ/bigpairs EP/AK button for starters) and 2 positional errors (opening utg, highjack are usual culprits), then misvaluing 5% of the time on the flop would be enough to create a problem of this scale

alternately, fewer pf errors then misvaluing 2.5% of the time, then making proportionally larger errors on the turn would also do it

it's also possible that you weren't nearly as good as your previous results indicated, and are now being hunted by players who have figured you out

if you haven't done so and feel it necessary, i'd change ids and hide from the search function

that said, it should be noted that your sample is microscopic and you could simply be running horribly
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Old 11-11-2005, 02:51 AM
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Default Re: Bad run. PT stats. Telling?

Of the awful 30K hands, in all honesty, I've tilted away 4-5 hands, and not on the higher stakes. So that is not a big issue and aside from that I don't understand the change. Objectively it seems like either I was running incredibly well before and this is what I really am, or that this is a streak of horrible luck.

So assuming that spewing means playing idiotically/tilting, I don't feel that's an issue, at least I don't feel the difference between how I'm playing now and in the good days.

Also I JUST started playing on party hopi8ng for a positive change, and awful results contineud for another 8k hands so far, but I'm doubt I'm already being stalked there.

About TAG and LAG, well, I've been TAG for months but by observation I noticed that good LAG playesr are more adaptive and have more of an edge in better skilled games so I tried my best to use that style. But I tightened back up in the middle of the losing streak because while LAG seems to win more on the good days, it also seems to lose more on the rainy ones.

What is highjacking? Betting into an aggressor in an attempt to steal?

It's quite shocking that 30 000 hands can be considered a microscopic sample for some topics by those serious about poker.
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